Rant about the BBC

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leekfiend wrote:
Dungeon-Dave wrote:However, I *DO* feel like emailing a pretty heavy rant given the way my folks have been receiving threatening letters about not having a TV licence.

(footnote: no, they don't have a TV licence. But they don't have a TV either.)
Get them to write a letter telling the TV licence monkeys this, and they'll leave them alone for a year. Then they'll write them a letter saying "have you got a TV?" and your fols will have to write back saying "no".

In my case, I even own a TV, but use it only for my Gamecube. I wrote them a letter telling them so, and they bother me once a year since, as above.
Does this actually work? I always thought that the licensing people were cunt s and if you owned a tv, they demanded you got a license. I remember a story (admittedly from the early 90's) where someone was an early adopter of Sky (back when you just got about ten official channels and no terrestrial). This guy destroyed his analogue aerial and physically couldn't receive terrestrial tv but was *still* made to buy a license.

I watch so little broadcast tv that if it wasn't for my gf, I'd not buy a license since I just use my tv for the GameCube and DVD.
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RealPlayer's a fucking trojan horse.

When you install it, it puts this "realsched.exe" program in your boot up programs.

This program is related to that "messages" (a.k.a. shit adverts) thing that appears in the taskbar.

Nevermind, I know my way around "regedit". I kill the fucker.

But then I try playing a RealPlayer stream (off the BBC, coincidentally enough) and then my firewall is asking for some program to access the internet.

I hit Ctrl+Alt+Del and what do I see?

"realsched.exe" is back.

I kill it with "regedit".

I use Realplayer again and, yeah, it fucking reinstalls it again.

Every single time you use RealPlayer, it checks the registry programs and if "realsched.exe" isn't there, it reinstalls the fucker.

Every single time.

It's also sneaky because it calls it "TkBell", as if they are trying to hide what it is - no reference to it being to do with Real or Realplayer - so you don't remove it.


Replacing "realsched.exe" with a renamed "Windows calculator", it reinstalls it when you try to exit RealPlayer and it seems to be sending it some kind of "command line" because "0e+0" appears in the calculator.


Okay, replacing it with a program of mine own that prints up the "command line" - handy program for investigating things like this - then I can see that what RealPlayer does is:

Reinstall "realsched.exe" and then launches it with "-startedByApp".


I notice that the registry entry loads it with the argument "-osBoot".


Sneaky.

The program doesn't access the internet when it is loaded with "-osboot" but does try to immediately do so when "-startedByApp" is given.


My firewall reports "Realplayer" as the internal name for both "realplay.exe" and "realsched.exe", so that both programs appear as "Realplayer wants to access the internet".

Of course, you want to "ok" one to play internet movies but you don't want to "ok" the other which is sending goodness knows what shit to Real and then receiving "messages" - adverts - to fucking annoy you with.


They are trying to catch you out by giving them the same internal name so that you'll give it access to the internet with your firewall when you're not paying attention.


Evil fuckers.


If I could be arsed - I can't and I'll just replace the thing with an "empty program" that does nothing - then I'd love to work out their "message protocol" and write a program to spam the fuckers right back with "fuck off".

I think I'll also write a program that monitors the registry for evil fucking programs like this to tell me if any other bastards are trying the same shit too when I'm not looking.

There are some nice advantages in being a programmer sometimes. :D
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KlaxonCow wrote:It's also sneaky because it calls it "TkBell", as if they are trying to hide what it is - no reference to it being to do with Real or Realplayer - so you don't remove it.
I caught this meself too. My solution was to add a regkey of this name in with no app to run, so EvilPlayer thought the trojan.ms.PhoneHome key was still there.

Don't know if it works with later versions.
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Driller wrote:
leekfiend wrote:
Dungeon-Dave wrote:However, I *DO* feel like emailing a pretty heavy rant given the way my folks have been receiving threatening letters about not having a TV licence.

(footnote: no, they don't have a TV licence. But they don't have a TV either.)
Get them to write a letter telling the TV licence monkeys this, and they'll leave them alone for a year. Then they'll write them a letter saying "have you got a TV?" and your fols will have to write back saying "no".

In my case, I even own a TV, but use it only for my Gamecube. I wrote them a letter telling them so, and they bother me once a year since, as above.
Does this actually work? I always thought that the licensing people were cunt s and if you owned a tv, they demanded you got a license. I remember a story (admittedly from the early 90's) where someone was an early adopter of Sky (back when you just got about ten official channels and no terrestrial). This guy destroyed his analogue aerial and physically couldn't receive terrestrial tv but was *still* made to buy a license.

I watch so little broadcast tv that if it wasn't for my gf, I'd not buy a license since I just use my tv for the GameCube and DVD.
Sure does, I never used to pay, I only used to use my TV for watching vidz and playing games, I would get a letter every now and again asking about the licence, they sent me one asking to fill out "i no longer use my tv to receive a broadcast signal" tick the box, sent it off, never heard another thing, since then got married and had to pay again, wife do like the TV!!
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In my case, I even own a TV, but use it only for my Gamecube. I wrote them a letter telling them so, and they bother me once a year since, as above.
Shit... I'd have thought that wouldn't work!
leekfiend wrote:Get them to write a letter telling the TV licence monkeys this, and they'll leave them alone for a year. Then they'll write them a letter saying "have you got a TV?" and your fols will have to write back saying "no".
Suppose so... but I've very little faith with the licensing authorities and their databases.

Wayback clock: When I moved to Worcester, I went into the local PO and asked to get my licence changed. This consisted of the counter woman crossing out my existing address and writing the new one on, then stamping it. I didn't see her take any notes, so was confused as to how the authorities would know.

Sure enough, at my new place, I got a card through the door telling me an inspector had called around. When I rang them, they claimed to have no record of me owning a licence (even at my old address), and asked for the licence number:

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them: what's the number printed on the licence?
me: there isn't one.
them: it's above the address, top-left.
me: my address is bottom-right.
them: turn the licence over, look for the purple box, top-left
me: yup.
them: what does it say?
me: "you can NOW pay with direct debit!"
them: no, your licence number should be printed, above the address
me: my address is overleaf. I'm looking at several boxes telling me how I can pay.
them: well your address should be at the top, on the left.
me: no, it's overleaf, bottom-right.
(etc)

She eventually asked me to send it in, but refused a photocopy as evidence. Since they had no record, if it was lost in the post, I was fecked, so I refused. Eventually some inspector, confirmed I had a licence and told me I could have saved a lot of time and bother if I'd have just sent it in. Luckily for him I was happy that day since I'd had a pay rise - else I'd have chinned the fucker.

Forward-fast 3 months. My missus moves in with me, so for a while we have two licences. I ring the authorities and manage to get the remaining time on mine credited to hers. Hers had a number. All is well.

Few months later, I get another postcard telling me I haven't got a licence. I wait for the bloke visits, sees hers, grumbles that a lot of time could have been saved if I just rang up or sent it in, then goes away.

We moved house, contact the relevent authorities, get the address changed. In the next place, we get a letter addressed to "the occupier" telling us we've not got a licence and to contact them. Since we *have*, and we're on record, I presume it's not for us. Another letter, more threatening, a week later. Eventually some bloke calls around (different one) wanting to see our licence, I show him, he grumbles and walks off.

We move out to a country bungalow. Contact authorities, get things changed... but it doesn't stop us from getting a letter, telling us that a detector van came up our street and found a large number of unlicenced TV sets (there's two bungalows and a farm out here. And several sheep). Wait a few weeks, get another letter. Missus is nonplussed at getting a visit, so I call....

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me: this letter says we ain't got a licence.
them: yes. we have no licence listed at that address.
me: here's a licence number: XXYYZZ11223344. What address is listed on there?
them: ummm.... *squirm*
me: why couldn't you just search against our address and found that?
them: that's not how databases work....
Cunting jesus tittyfuck on stilts. I despair. But that's not all...

Forward-fast to 2 years ago. We buy a new TV. A week later... "YOU DO *NOT* HAVE A LICENCE AT THIS ADDRESS! THIS IS ILLEGAL! YOU WILL BE CAPTURED WHILST SLEEPING AND SPRINTED OFF TO CAMP X-RAY!" letter pops through.

The missus wanted me to ring and sort it out. I know if I do, I'll slam the phone down so hard I'll break someone's ankles in Australia. But she doesn't want Braindead Bob The Inspector visiting, in case he stumbles on the uneven path and falls upon the spiky gateposts, several times. So I email them, and their HTML reply is rejected by my mail server. I've heard nothing since, so I'm guessing they've got my area marked "do NOT approach".

Didn't stop them sending threatening letters to Daddy, mind.

What's REALLY sad about this whole episode is that last year I spent some time at the BBC, running a SuSE Linux sysadmin training course. Absolutely EVERYTHING about my visit screamed "organisation!" - the gateman was prepped for my arrival, giving me a map to a parking space. I was greated by someone that gave me a student list, the room was well-set up, coffee and meals were provided, and ALL students smelled strongly of that heady scent called "Clue". That trip ranks VERY high in my list of "getting things done RIGHT." I just wish the same efficiency extended to other areas of the organisation.

Rant over... Sorry it was so long, folks.
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Dungeon-Dave wrote:
In my case, I even own a TV, but use it only for my Gamecube. I wrote them a letter telling them so, and they bother me once a year since, as above.
Shit... I'd have thought that wouldn't work!
There are certain rules and regulations. If you have a TV but don't use it you should have it tuned out of any broadcast stations and removed from any internal or external aerial (you don't have to, but it helps). Still, the TV Licencing company (which is completely separate from the BBC) are fuckers and tend to send you threatening letters about random house inspections even if you've told them you have no TV.
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Dungeon-Dave wrote: What's REALLY sad about this whole episode is that last year I spent some time at the BBC [...] I just wish the same efficiency extended to other areas of the organisation.
Oh but it does, in its public-sector-responding-to-market-forces schizophrenia, you may be interested to note that the BBC contracted out licence collection 15 years ago.

Even before then it was the Home Office running it via the GPO ... nowt to do with the Beeb itself!!
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Dungeon-Dave wrote: What's REALLY sad about this whole episode is that last year I spent some time at the BBC, running a SuSE Linux sysadmin training course.
SuSE? Really? Which bizarro part of the beeb was this for? They were using RHEL(L) or solaris last time I looked...
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sarabob wrote:SuSE? Really? Which bizarro part of the beeb was this for?
R & D group - Kingswood.

At the time, many of them were looking at Linux distros, and our "Linux Admin" course should really have been named "RH8 Admin" so I rewrote a lot of it to add in ManSnake[1], Plebian[2] and Suzzie[3] - seems their techies use a variety of distros, and when I ran the course on Suse8 they had some not-too-complimentary things to say about RH. And rightly, in some cases.

[1] Mandrake, now Mandriva
[2] Debian
[3] SuSE.
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[Python]
TV Detector #1: Nah, the "shove your license up your arse" is a blue form from Central Dispatch in Shepherd's Goitre
TV Detector #2: Unless there's actual violence involved, in which case you need the multi-part form and tick the box marked "Happy-slapped by man in vest"
TV Detector #3: Of course, if they touch the van, you gotta get them on the white "F*cker kicked in the van headlights" report to Orpington...

[/Python]
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