The Dr Who thread

DutchLlama · Post by **DutchLlama** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:12 pm 0

Snakey wrote:Is that all of them? Thought there were more.

*applauds Firefox for spelling Lynda with a Y *

Don't confuse her with the Linda with an i.

Actually I thought she was the loveliest of potential Dr. Who assistants who were killed off.

kalmar · Post by **kalmar** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:23 pm 0

IronGiant wrote:

kalmar · Post by **kalmar** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:25 pm 0

Wibble wrote: So there... stop trying to make Dr Who into a science show

Yes.

Who cares how they eat or breath, it's really just a show.

Kelloggs · Post by **Kelloggs** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:31 pm 0

Darkflame wrote:Hawking radiation is the only known output from black holes.

But that doesnt mean you cant see huge globs of swirly mass just before the event horizon anyway.

Two points of note: a) Hawking radiation is thus far only theoretical, but I wouldn't be qualified to disagree, and b) that's pretty much what I said. "Black" only counts for stuff beyond the event horizon, where there's no coming back. Before that point, by definition, photons could escape. Whether we can actually see swirly clouds of matter, however, would require an in-depth study of all known and unknown black holes... so I'd like to propose a research project, with a huge beer budget. I'm sorry; did I just say beer?

IronGiant · Post by **IronGiant** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:44 pm 0

kalmar wrote:
Wibble wrote: So there... stop trying to make Dr Who into a science show
Yes.

Who cares how they eat or breath, it's really just a show.

Kelloggs · Post by **Kelloggs** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:59 pm 0

Ok, please accept my humblest topologies. I'll try to keep my thoughts on science quiet regarding this science-fiction programme. Instead, I would like to direct you all to the lovely picture upthread of MyAnna "Scooti" Buring, which prompted me on Saturday to say, to the world in general, "Hellooooooo, Cleavage!".

Damn that vacuum. It sucks.

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:25 am 0

Just to get this over with first:

1) I like Tennant's Doctor.

2) I like Rose's character and how she's developed, and think that she's got plenty of mileage left in her.

3) I find Ms Piper to be a surprisingly good actress.

4) I liked the idea of grounding the series by contrasting the Sci-Fi with the domesticity of the real world and am actually missing Micky and the 'real' Jackie.

5) The complaints about so many episodes featuring the loss or inactivity of the TARDIS strikes me as more absurd than those last year about so many stories being set in London. Since Davies revived the series there have been, IIRC, TWO (that's 2, like one and another one, count them) such stories, at about ten stories per year. Perhaps they shouldn't have been so close to each other, though.

6) Of course the TARDIS will be recovered, just as we know that the Doctor will survive to the next episode. Why not forget the necessary aspects of making a television series, stop the overanalysis and just enjoy what can be the best forty-odd telly minutes of the week if one is prepared to suspend one's disbelief?

WiteWulf wrote:I actually spent a long time this afternoon reading through all the stuff on Wikipedia about Doctor Who, trying to remind myself of all the old plot arcs. When I came across the concept of the Cartmel Masterplan I have to admit to being intrigued. Outside of the post '89 novels has this ever been summarised or written down anywhere?

Well, there's the Wikipedia entry here which seems to cover much of it.

When Ben and I were discussing the Rembrance of the Daleks script I got the sense that the Doctor had possessed and could control the Eye of Omega because he'd been a major player in that part of Timelord history. He hinted that it was something like that but wouldn't tell me who he'd been. The bastard!

grue wrote:
IronGiant wrote:
DutchLlama wrote: Oh and aren't black holes supposed to be invisible because they even suck up light?
Yes, this was mentioned on Confidental for this episode - the f/x guys went for the 'accurate' scientific look but then 'God' (sorry, RTD I mean) decided that they weren't impressive enough (or words to that effect) and asked for them to be enhanced a bit, citing artistic licence ...........
Is there anything he is useful at anyway?

Turning the remnants of a patchy children's serial from the mid-1900s into a twenty-first century phenomenon that would attract a huge new family audience each week while still keeping most of the old fans watching?

As for the look of the black hole, this is fantasy Sci-Fi adventure, not hard Science Fiction. As mentioned in Confidential, nobody actually knows what one looks like. There are pictures of what bits of the sky look like when there's a black hole in the vicinity but no more. RTD had a choice between a zoomed version of a swirling cluster or lots of light things being swept into a big, roundish nothingness. Which is more likely to thrill the audience?

Oh, and they're black because no light is what black is. Invisible things wouldn't absorb any light at all

H.
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Post by **Snakey** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:23 am 0

IronGiant wrote:I'm also wondering how much the thing is supposed to weigh - for example, in The Robots of Death it materialises inside the scoop and is lifted out of there to another location. However, in Parting of the Ways we have the instance where Rose tries to yank the console open with a tow-truck and the Tardis doesn't bunch a millimetre. Or maybe the Tardis 'decides' if it's immobile or not?

The outside weighs as much as a police box. The inside weighs a few tons

This is partly why I couldn't understand all the going on about the 'chain breaking/being too slack' in that particular episode. Hello... bit of a difference between the distance from the Tardis door to where it was connected inside there... no way you can work it out, so don't even try

grue wrote:
IronGiant wrote:Yes, this was mentioned on Confidental for this episode - the f/x guys went for the 'accurate' scientific look but then 'God' (sorry, RTD I mean) decided that they weren't impressive enough (or words to that effect) and asked for them to be enhanced a bit, citing artistic licence ...........
Is there anything he is useful at anyway?

Oh, come on... He's right, it would have looked shit.

Harlequin wrote:Just to get this over with first:

1) I like Tennant's Doctor.

Not as good as that other bloke though

Harlequin wrote:2) I like Rose's character and how she's developed, and think that she's got plenty of mileage left in her.

3) I find Ms Piper to be a surprisingly good actress.

4) I liked the idea of grounding the series by contrasting the Sci-Fi with the domesticity of the real world and am actually missing Micky and the 'real' Jackie.

Completely agree. Well, almost

Not so sure on the last few words there...

Harlequin wrote:5) The complaints about so many episodes featuring the loss or inactivity of the TARDIS strikes me as more absurd than those last year about so many stories being set in London. Since Davies revived the series there have been, IIRC, TWO (that's 2, like one and another one, count them) such stories, at about ten stories per year. Perhaps they shouldn't have been so close to each other, though.

Ah, but you're not counting Girl in the Fireplace, where the Doc was trapped with no Tardis, and amounts to the same thing... As I said, too much. Just doesn't hold the impact that it should now. Think back to last series and the look on Captain Jacks face when he realises he's lost the Tardis for good...

Harlequin wrote:Turning the remnants of a patchy children's serial from the mid-1900s into a twenty-first century phenomenon that would attract a huge new family audience each week while still keeping most of the old fans watching?

Absolutely. And I liked all of his episodes from last series.

Awww.

Dr Morbeus · Post by **Dr Morbeus** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:28 am 0

IronGiant wrote:

Did I miss something ? Is this his new assistant ?

Matrixxx · Post by **Matrixxx** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:30 am 0

Dr Morbeus wrote:
IronGiant wrote:

Did I miss something ? Is this his new assistant ?

If it is, she's pretty *small* by now

she's swedish you know... and in the new omen film as a tv reporter.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:46 am 0

DutchLlama wrote:
Snakey wrote:Is that all of them? Thought there were more.

*applauds Firefox for spelling Lynda with a Y *
Don't confuse her with the Linda with an i.

Nope, that one's still completely sailing over my head. Has there been a character called "Linda" or something?

DutchLlama wrote:Actually I thought she was the loveliest of potential Dr. Who assistants who were killed off.

Yes, that was a real eye-opener! I don't know if you've seen it in Holland, but over here there was a series on Channel 4 here called "No Angels" in which she played a nurse who was a really, really nasty piece of work. Amazing the difference bunches and a complete personality transplant can make.

Post by **Snakey** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:47 am 0

Firefox wrote:Nope, that one's still completely sailing over my head. Has there been a character called "Linda" or something?

Did you not see the episode in question, then?

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:49 am 0

Snakey wrote:
Firefox wrote:Nope, that one's still completely sailing over my head. Has there been a character called "Linda" or something?
Did you not see the episode in question, then?

I thought I'd seen then all...

Go on, tell me, ya mean git!

Post by **Snakey** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:51 am 0

http://www.siskoid.com/WhoCCG/9D/cardlynda.html

or just google "lynda with a y"

Surprised you don't remember that. Thought it was a very memorable line

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:12 am 0

Snakey wrote:http://www.siskoid.com/WhoCCG/9D/cardlynda.html

or just google "lynda with a y"

Surprised you don't remember that. Thought it was a very memorable line

Oh! I was probably too busy going "Argh, it's that witch from No Angels!" for it to register.

I'll snag the last DVD from the first series from Amazon. There were loads of Daleks, including the Emporer Dalek, so it'll be worth having anyway.