Official Nintendo Fanboy Smugness & Gloating Thread

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:22 pm 0

Thats a shame, I was looking forward to both Sonics :-/

Sonic Rush 2 is what I really want though..

Kemper_Boyd · Post by **Kemper_Boyd** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:29 pm 0

Darkflame wrote:An oversimplification maybe, but when it comes down to it, that's how all the console buyers will see it.
Sony is playing to what they know has traditionaly sold consoles.
Nintendos taken a gamble that people will want to try something untested.

How they see it is not necessarily anything to do with reality.
Nintendo could scrap Wii without much damage to their business,
whereas Sony would be in huge trouble if PS3 failed to come out,
it's that big a risk.

grue · Post by **grue** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:31 pm 0

Kemper_Boyd wrote: How they see it is not necessarily anything to do with reality.
Nintendo could scrap Wii without much damage to their business,
whereas Sony would be in huge trouble if PS3 failed to come out,
it's that big a risk.

Which are both quite unlikely senarios

Kemper_Boyd · Post by **Kemper_Boyd** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:38 pm 0

grue wrote:
Kemper_Boyd wrote: How they see it is not necessarily anything to do with reality.
Nintendo could scrap Wii without much damage to their business,
whereas Sony would be in huge trouble if PS3 failed to come out,
it's that big a risk.
Which are both quite unlikely senarios

Sony have to ship 90nm Cell chips, they won't get 65nm parts until
next year, that will cost them big bucks if they ramp up production
fast, or mean that few PS3s will be available before next summer,
and their sales will fall even further behind Microsoft.

BluRay release is delayed again which doesn't help the 'it's not a
console' pitch.

There are rumours that they will drop the clockspeed of the Cell chip.

Now I'm not suggesting it won't come out or sell well, but the PS3
release is sure as hell not going to plan. The line between profit and
loss is certainly getting closer.

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:46 pm 0

The 360 launch was pretty rocky. It will be interesting to see how Sony does.

grue · Post by **grue** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:47 pm 0

Kemper_Boyd wrote: Sony have to ship 90nm Cell chips, they won't get 65nm parts until
next year, that will cost them big bucks if they ramp up production
fast, or mean that few PS3s will be available before next summer,
and their sales will fall even further behind Microsoft.

BluRay release is delayed again which doesn't help the 'it's not a
console' pitch.

There are rumours that they will drop the clockspeed of the Cell chip.

Now I'm not suggesting it won't come out or sell well, but the PS3
release is sure as hell not going to plan. The line between profit and
loss is certainly getting closer.

Sure. But most of the FIFA-muppets will wait for it just for the Playstation brand even if it comes out in 2009 and Sony knows this.

Kemper_Boyd · Post by **Kemper_Boyd** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:56 pm 0

I agree but I still think Sony are going out on a limb, and we've yet to
see Microsoft deliver a kicking with pricing.

Marius · Post by **Marius** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:24 pm 0

Kemper_Boyd wrote:
Marius wrote:To me it seems like Nintendo is doing the only leaping this generation with their new console/controller, Sony and Microsoft are playing it pretty safe...although one could argue that Sony is gambling with the Blue-Ray format and the final pricetag.
Sony are playing it safe? I'm sure their board would disagree.

Playing it safe as in "if it ain't broke...", but like I said, the Blue-Ray format is a huge gamble.

Other than that, it's the "more is better"-attitude all the way.

Darkflame · Post by **Darkflame** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:29 pm 0

Yes, as a buisness, they are on shaky ground, but as far as design goes they are playing it safe.

Bubba · Post by **Bubba** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:23 pm 0

Darkflame wrote:Yes, as a buisness, they are on shaky ground, but as far as design goes they are playing it safe.

If you mean controller design, then yes. Anything else then I'm afraid I've gotta disagree with you. It's a vastly different architecture to what's gone before it.

Basically, the controller is playing it safe, with the addition of motion sensativity if it catches on with the Wee. Everything else is up in arms - will they have the same kind of online success as XBL? Will they attract the new gamers that Ninty are after? Will they outclass franchises like Halo2...

From the system design point of view, it's Nintendo that are playing it safe...

Cheers

Bubba

Governmentyard · Post by **Governmentyard** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:35 pm 0

Bubba wrote:
Darkflame wrote:Everything else is up in arms - will they have the same kind of online success as XBL? Will they attract the new gamers that Ninty are after? Will they outclass franchises like Halo2...

Will they fuck

Bubba · Post by **Bubba** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:48 pm 0

I'd love to laugh them off, but their stupidly high market share of home consoles isn't going to go away over night. Here's hoping they get the ass kicked about a bit and that the other platforms get their fair share of the kind of cool games like Okami that would usually have flocked to the ps2.

And I'm sure the PS3 will sell all the units they can produce at first, even at the high price. However, it'll have to fall an awful lot before typical teenage gamer can afford it. Hell, I'm a student with money (read: student loan) to burn but there's no way I can afford a PS3 and games to go with it at that price. The Wee on the other hand... Here's hoping that, influenced by the GCs plummit in price that ninty look for the Â£100 mark rather than the Â£150 mark as then it'll fall in to the impulse purchase range...

Cheers

Bubba

Orangy Tang · Post by **Orangy Tang** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:03 am 0

Jamesac wrote:I didn't get to play Wii Sonic, but PS3/360 Sonic sucked pretty hard. Just a warning for anyone still holding out hope for the new one on those systems.

James

I really can't understand how Sonic Team can produce such substandard games recently (Shadow, Sonic Heros and that hoverboard game) and then come out with the fantastically good Sonic Rush.

I can only assume that either someone else is pulling their strings (the Shadow game in particular is pretty shameless) or they've quietly broken into two halves...

Post by **RiK** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:10 am 0

Bubba wrote:The Wee on the other hand... Here's hoping that, influenced by the GCs plummit in price that ninty look for the Â£100 mark rather than the Â£150 mark as then it'll fall in to the impulse purchase range...

Definitely. At that price I'd buy two, one each for me & Kel.

Jamesac · Post by **Jamesac** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:26 am 0

Not really the place for it, but seeing as we're talking about it-

I took a screenshot from the PS3 Sonic. You can see how the level curls around behind, and get a sense of some of the design. You can also see Sonic.... um...

Bad Sonic! That wall is not for walking on!

Actually, the game got confused about what flat surfaces were acceptable to stick Sonic on to and let him just stand there, idling away. It was too good not to take a picture of. Yes, I know I'm making fun of software in very early stages. But it's fun!

James