Jeff's in the news

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:22 am 0

It's made Slashdot

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?si ... 07/1327215

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:45 am 0

I've had a few people I know ask about Jeff from reading this article now... partly cos they didn't realise there were still well-known industry people left in this country aside from Peter Molyneux!

Kamineko · Post by **Kamineko** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:47 am 0

Peter Molyneux is nobody though!

Flabio · Post by **Flabio** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:58 am 0

Kamineko wrote:Peter Molyneux is nobody though!

Oy! I'll have you know he's a fine bloke who always gets his round in.

Tepic · Post by **Tepic** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:01 am 0

Peter Molyneux is nobody though!

One of 2 damn fine game geezers I'd love to meet! I'd get the rounds in!

namor7 · Post by **namor7** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:05 am 0

I'll stick up for the Spong article, dumb site though it is - I thought it was affectionate sarcasm, FWIW. And I loved this line:

Being in his brain must be ace!

teamonkey · Post by **teamonkey** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:07 am 0

Tepic wrote:
Peter Molyneux is nobody though!
One of 2 damn fine game geezers I'd love to meet! I'd get the rounds in!

On first pass I read that as "One of 2 fine geezers in this country who gets the rounds in" and was going to ask who the other one was.

Kamineko · Post by **Kamineko** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:16 am 0

teamonkey wrote:
Tepic wrote:
Peter Molyneux is nobody though!
One of 2 damn fine game geezers I'd love to meet! I'd get the rounds in!
On first pass I read that as "One of 2 fine geezers in this country who gets the rounds in" and was going to ask who the other one was.

Fine game geezers who always get the rounds in... how about Cid Highwind?

Post by **RiK** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:42 pm 0

Flabio wrote:
Kamineko wrote:Peter Molyneux is nobody though!
Oy! I'll have you know he's a fine bloke who always gets his round in.

Aye, he knows how to throw a party too.

TwistedScrote · Post by **TwistedScrote** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:27 pm 0

Well Edge must be well chuffed! Yak's only just started his column and it's already on BBC !

Well done Jeff...!

How bout 'Diana took it up the dirtbox' for your next article?

with extra points if you can get Charles to back that up!

That will deffo make the Express front page!

Seriously tho it seems a summit of nuffink.... we ALL think Sony is shitting where it sleeps over the PS3.. it really is overpriced and the BLU-RAY thing really isnt going to win anytime soon..
I reckon it's partly to do with the name.. HD-DVD will appeal more to joe public simply because it's exactly what it says on the tin.
BLU-RAY might be better but sounds like a comic book hero..

arron · Post by **arron** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:44 pm 0

I think that the reason that all this has blown up out of all proportion is that Sony (privately) are genuinely worried about their position. They've been beaten to market by their Number 2 competitor, who is already building up a successful online games service from their previous console as well as starting to get quality games out. Come next christmas, I think we'll be out of the launch blues for the 360 and into the good stuff that people want to get. That process takes about 12 months, and MS releases are looking ripe. If the PS3 launches alongside Halo 3 on the 360, I think that it's going to look bad for them, because that seems to be the sort of killer app that made the XBox worth getting. It would be most unfortunate to have not just your thunder stolen, but your entire weather system swiped by someone who came out a year ahead of you.

Their other competitor (Nintendo) seems to have a more innovative product, and a silly name. But people seem more keen to get one of those then spend a lot more a PS3.

Where are Sony at the moment? A console that is too expensive for an initial entry market (even with the cut-down version), costly untried technology coming into the market..and they're struggling to get the launch out on time with stuff for people to play. I think they are worried, and their response to Jeff shows it..

zip accident · Post by **zip accident** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:53 pm 0

arron wrote:

I think they are worried, and their response to Jeff shows it..

In the BBC article, there is no response from Sony to Jeff. The BBC took clips from an old speech, and put together a predicted response (sort of thing) from that.

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:20 pm 0

arron wrote:Spong doesn't exactly bring a lot to the table with that piece does he?

Nope, not much. It's difficult to read the article and not nod in agreement with Jeff's comments. And there has been several similar pieces from various market analysts and experts.

I eagerly await Crazy Ken's response, though. Are they deliberatley keeping Ken away from the media these days?

gilesgoat · Post by **gilesgoat** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:50 pm 0

arron wrote:I think that the reason that all this has blown up out of all proportion is that Sony (privately) are genuinely worried about their position. They've been beaten to market by their Number 2 competitor, who is already building up a successful online games service from their previous console as well as starting to get quality games out. Come next christmas, I think we'll be out of the launch blues for the 360 and into the good stuff that people want to get. That process takes about 12 months, and MS releases are looking ripe. If the PS3 launches alongside Halo 3 on the 360, I think that it's going to look bad for them, because that seems to be the sort of killer app that made the XBox worth getting. It would be most unfortunate to have not just your thunder stolen, but your entire weather system swiped by someone who came out a year ahead of you.

Their other competitor (Nintendo) seems to have a more innovative product, and a silly name. But people seem more keen to get one of those then spend a lot more a PS3.

Where are Sony at the moment? A console that is too expensive for an initial entry market (even with the cut-down version), costly untried technology coming into the market..and they're struggling to get the launch out on time with stuff for people to play. I think they are worried, and their response to Jeff shows it..

Right words, and I have to say they must be worried and think about all
they have done.

Now, seriously, it could be "ok, it's a BIG risk but we are SURE we really
will have some killer stuff, later" ..

If that's the case I say then would not have been better then to come
out with a console .. 1 year later ? Instead of saying "we have something
super cool but there's still nothing ready for it yet ?".

I think the fact to "rush" to come out with something at any costs .. costs ..
I mean yes, you are keeping everyone on fire waiting for your super cool
stuff to come out promising "the incredible".

But let's say, let's face it, the biggest problem is not even that, the biggest
problem is that the PS3 is *LOT EXPENSIVE*, far too expensive by "the standard" and
when you sell something SO expensive then it has to be "super cracking cool"
or .. or you just made something "useless".

To be honest, I don't know, this is really the race of "who shoots higher".

Super hardware, super stuff, super promises, super graphic, super sound.

Do we really all that ?

Is that really what we want or is it what you, Sony, think we want ?

Are you sure you are going to sell what really people wants to buy ?

And how many of us really want to buy all that ?

I have to admit, I was a bit "skeptic" myself about "not super ultra hw"
but reality is .. that I love something like AC on the DS and to me a
game like that in an HW like that with the graphic and such like that is
*EXACTLY* what I want.

Because the game is super cool for what it is and is *exactly* the kind
of game I was looking for.

After 14 hours of code and such and stressing things I am not really keen
to take a super-ultra-graphic smashing hit and start shooting at things
with uber explosions, I prefer to take my water can, check my pansies and
have a chat with Tipper, Chevre and Victoria.

The point is "the super uber smash" I think is targetted to another kind of
audience, they made their computations sure, surely that "audience" will
always buy that kind of stuff no matter how much it costs and no matter
how much they have to wait for.

But fact is, world is definitely not made just and only of that kind of audience
we know, there's a "silent mayority" that is lot more than them.

I think that this kind of "voice" that Jeff spoken comes exactly from "us",
that other kind of "audience" or those that are a bit on the middle there and there.

Anyway, I don't think that all that said will have any impact at all on Sony
sales, plans or whatever, to be honest I don't think is changing a button
in their plans or results and not even in what they think.

Also, to be honest I think that what Jeff said they already know it by
themselves, I don't think they are "so silly" to think that "nah, it's not
true what he said" .. it's perfectly true and it's not at all just and only Jeff's words.

But anyway they should think a bit about it, the fact Jeff said it does not
change anything I mean he's really not the only one thinking and saying all that, there are many many people thinking like him.

I just would like/hope Sony is thinking a bit .. and maybe stop thinking
that there's only one way, their way, to see things.

About Blue Ray, I'll say it again, "I almost don't care a button about it".

First, it should cost *REASONABLY*, if you make my Blue Ray movies
cost 3 times a normal movie you can just keep it, thanks, but I am not buying it.

Second. or you give me an HD TV I can, me as a "normal man with a normal work", buy
without too many difficulties
or again you can keep all your HD by yourself, it will be only an "elite"
thing for people with lot of money in their pockets.

That's my opinion, it won't be just a console changing the world, lot more
around it is needed for all to work properly.

And .. allow me to say that .. who had this STUPID idea about UMDs ?

Well, they LOOK great .. it seems a nice idea .. the tech implementation
is quite a bit crap .. and we don't talk about the pricing, totally wrong.

A Black Falcon · Post by **A Black Falcon** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:01 pm 0

I thought for a while that the fact that Sony isn't a totally stupid company and can see public sentiment as well as anyone should mean that they would realize how much bad press they are getting and take some steps to mitigate their concerns, but they haven't done that... they have just repeated the same old points again, expecting to win in the end. And while I certainly will admit that it might work -- Sony won two generations in a row, they could again, and the PS3 will surely sell very well at launch among the people willing to pay any price -- I'm really starting to wonder if they're putting far too much faith on the concept that since they are Sony and are the leaders they will just continue to be the leaders, no matter what. That overconfidence helped bring down previous industry leaders, and it could well happen again now if Sony doesn't do something...

Of course, then the question is "but what can they do?" and it is a good one. Sony has stuck itsself with their current policy and changing things would mean retreats on issues that they do not want to admit that they might be wrong on... so they continue to fail to adapt to the changes in public sentiment against them. It's far too early to say what the result will be, but at this rate...

(Of course, being in the console world first a Nintendo fan, I would love to see Sony go down, but after how successful they've been for two generations, seeing them miscalculate so badly is surprising...)