goatboy wrote:Well, I'd have said Simon Pegg and you know how much they like to bring actors back...
when this all kicked off and we were dabating who should be doctor he was my choice...
not seen most of the series (life getting in way - but it's all on the NTL on demand menus so I'm going to have a big catchup sesh) but I will say I really did enjoy that one. Liked the way it was silly in places but only to the point of being enjoyable and funny (the dalek vs cybermen scene with the traded insults I half-expected a 'yo momma' comment there) and not being purile crap.
it all goes back to why I don't generally do sci-fi but really like dr who - it's unashamed entertainment and fun but without going too far down the route of mindlessness.
But yeah - please knock the trying to nob the assistant on the head - the enlightened joyrider with the ultimate toy for joyriding in, inane optimism and sort of child-meet-genius kind of doctor persona with that kind of detatchment he has is what works best for me.
I need to compose myself...talk amongst yourselves...I'll give you a topic..."George W. Bush is neither compassionate nor a conservative"...discuss!
Okay, I'm better now. Sigh.
Fantastic ending to the season. I'm really surprised how badly the Cybermen got their asses handed to them. The Daleks just blew 'em out of the water. I guess that was inevitable, but, oy oy oy, you'd think they'd put up a fight.
The Daleks are getting to be really good at trash-talking. That was a great moment.
And now I'm depressed that Billie Piper's gone. They were such a happy couple. And now we're gonna have...the cranky bride? Hmm. I suspects that this new sidekick (yuck, what an awful word, when Rose and The Doctor were equal partners) will be deliberately antagonistic, just to make a break with the past.
And here we come, friends, to the curse that eventually ruined Classic Who - the revolving door of sidekicks. Will Season 3 be anywhere near as good without the emotional and romantic context? Or could they come up with something that's different, but also works? The writers sure have their work cut out for them.
Forgot the Torchwood spinoff. I want a Tyler Family spinoff. I'm really gonna miss all of them.
daniel thomas wrote:And now I'm depressed that Billie Piper's gone. They were such a happy couple. And now we're gonna have...the cranky bride? Hmm. I suspects that this new sidekick (yuck, what an awful word, when Rose and The Doctor were equal partners) will be deliberately antagonistic, just to make a break with the past.
Donna the bride is not his new long-term companion (or at least not his primary one). She appears to be only a lead-in to the Christmas episode
daniel thomas wrote:Forgot the Torchwood spinoff. I want a Tyler Family spinoff. I'm really gonna miss all of them.
But that would be a Torchwood spinoff, just an alternative one
Oh, and the episode commentary explained why no Cybermen were observed being sucked toward the main portal: they were drawn through the cracks that they'd originally appeared from
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Ollie wrote:One big problem with it AFAIAC: how the hell did Pete Tyler know to pop through at precisely that moment in order to catch Rose?
Because he could faintly see her across the voidhole? Because they share DNA? Because he panicked at the last moment (that at which the portal was starting to seal up)?
Well, he couldn't see her across the voidhole, because it was only open from our side - that was the whole reason for sending them across, so they'd be safe on the other side. And he wouldn't have known that was the last moment before the portal sealed up, for the same reason - he only knew it had closed afterwards when his dimensional transfer medallion didn't work any more. Because they share DNA? Is there any precedent for that in the series? Because if you're going to suddenly write in special psychic powers for Rose's dad it seems something ought to be mentioned about it.
Do things like that spoil your enjoyment so much? Maybe he just took a chance and got really lucky. In a trillion other parallel universes he probably fucked up and killed both of them.
HGFB wrote:Do things like that spoil your enjoyment so much? Maybe he just took a chance and got really lucky. In a trillion other parallel universes he probably fucked up and killed both of them.
It spoils it because they'd built up Rose's death so damn much, I expected a bit more thought to have gone into the get-out than just pulling across a character to save her who could have had no possibly way of knowing she needed saving, or at what exact time to do so. It's just sloppy plotting. RTD says in Confidential that he'd never had the slightest intention of allowing Rose to die. Well take a tiny bit of trouble to make her rescue make sense, then!
It doesn't spoil my enjoyment of the programme as a whole, but it did spoil my enjoyment of that particular moment, because at that moment the "will Rose die or not" bit of the plot was thrown into a toilet bowl and shat on. In my personal Doctor Who universe, she is dead, because her rescue made absolutely no sense.
PurpleChair wrote:With all the talk about Time Lord technology, I was hoping the Genesis Ark would spring open to reveal The Master sitting in a comfy chair.
That would have been a shock for the Daleks. They thinking that they've got thousands of Daleks to take over the Earth, and then finding out they've got something more capable of taking over the Earth, but doesn't exactly like the Daleks..
Plus, the Master is going to have to play nice with the Doctor if he was going to get back to his TARDIS, so that would provide some entertainment as the Doctor is nearly accidently bumped off by the Master trying to shorten the odds..
"Observation is the path to understanding. Self-observation is the path to self-understanding."
The other thing about the Genesis Ark was that it was opened by the same process that Rose used to 'heal' the Dalek in "Dalek". Could it be that the Daleks have added Time Lord technology to their own casings, and perhaps swelled their numbers from converting Time Lords as they did humans? It seems that the Daleks didn't have any problems with stealing things from races that they might have considered inferior...like the Void Ship. So much for racial purity.
The sole survivor Dalek is also a member of a Skaro cult..which is an interesting link to the almost religious veneration of the Emperor in the last series. Could that Dalek be the ex-black dalek that escaped?
"Observation is the path to understanding. Self-observation is the path to self-understanding."
Rose told us that the Daleks had added the ability to leech energy from time travellers during the Time War. You'd have thought the Time Lords would invest in a nice Yale lock for their prison ships at least. Security seems to have gotten very lax in recent years on Gallifrey
Sir_LANs-a-lot wrote:- The renegade Cyber(wo)man - how?
Perhaps she had a faulty or incorrectly fitted emotional regulator. Or perhaps her personal force of will as Torchwood Director overcame the programming. It certainly was a possibility for Strogg programming. Can you imagine Margaret Thatcher after the cyberconversion process? She'd be unstoppable..and you couldn't vote her out of office then!
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"Observation is the path to understanding. Self-observation is the path to self-understanding."
HGFB wrote:Rose told us that the Daleks had added the ability to leech energy from time travellers during the Time War. You'd have thought the Time Lords would invest in a nice Yale lock for their prison ships at least. Security seems to have gotten very lax in recent years on Gallifrey
Gallifreyan security protocols had been re-written based upon the human physionomy. (retina scan). See "The Apocalypse Element", Big Finish audio. There is corroboration from a novel too but I can't remember which one.
Lends a bit of presure to the theory that the Doctor is half human (and part "Other") ...
Also - he WAS the president of Gallifrey during his fourth incarnation and we know that Earth is his favourite place.
Sealed with a curse as sharp as a knife. Doomed is your soul and damned is your life.
(and part "Other") ...