The Dr Who thread

zip accident · Post by **zip accident** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:18 am 0

Snakey wrote:

Daleks are badass.

I remember the start (end of first ep./beginning of second?) of a long ago four (six?) parter, where the daleks were attacked, or counter-attacked, I forget which, by a bunch of cavemen with stone spears. The Dr advised against, as I recall. It didn't go at all well.

SimonB · Post by **SimonB** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:18 am 0

ladybird wrote:
SimonB wrote: I did think initially the arrival of the bride was a bugger in spoiling the end
she's that annoying 'not bothered' cow isn't she
not looking forward to a christmas farce now

Well, yes but that's just a character, same as the Bride will be. And she can act - she was great in Bleak house.

merman · Post by **merman** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:40 am 0

Superb.

Once again, it's the little moments and details... the head of Torchwood saving them (I agree - it probably was her "conditioning" that saved her brain from being taken over), the "void stuff" sequence, Jacqui and Pete meeting, the staircase, the Doctor saying "If you believe I can do it, maybe that's all I need..."

The trailers and start of the first episode led us to believe Rose was going to die, and she did... in one universe. And I loved the sarcastic Daleks. "You are superior in only one quality - your ability to be defeated"

Oh, and I'm not sure about Catherine Tate either, but I loved the way it ended - the Doctor completely off-balance trying to work out where this bride had appeared from...

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:58 am 0

SimonB wrote:
ladybird wrote:
SimonB wrote: I did think initially the arrival of the bride was a bugger in spoiling the end
she's that annoying 'not bothered' cow isn't she
not looking forward to a christmas farce now
Well, yes but that's just a character, same as the Bride will be. And she can act - she was great in Bleak house.

I was slightly encouraged by the fact that her accent wasn't the usual Eastenders/chav-type squawk...

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:03 pm 0

Quick question... given everything with void stuff on it got pulled through, why didn't the Tardis?

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:08 pm 0

Mayhem wrote:Quick question... given everything with void stuff on it got pulled through, why didn't the Tardis?

Self-cleaning, innit?

SimonB · Post by **SimonB** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:11 pm 0

Maybe everything else was outside by that point, and it couldn't get pulled through the intevening floors from the hanger to lever room.

Or the outside is just a solid projection that doesn't itself travle anywhere - just gets remade everytime it lands.

PVB · Post by **PVB** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:19 pm 0

Mayhem wrote:Quick question... given everything with void stuff on it got pulled through, why didn't the Tardis?

I'm sure HGFB will be along in a minute to tell us that it doesn't use The Void or summink.

Loved the episode, would have blubbed but the nephew was watching as well, so just did a little lip wobble.

Still think the Doctor should have said "Am I bothered?!" at the bride.

Flabio · Post by **Flabio** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:27 pm 0

PVB wrote:Still think the Doctor should have said "Am I bothered?!" at the bride.

I would've been forced to kill something then though. I'm sure Miss Tate can act, and is probably as sick of having to roll out that character by now as we are of hearing it

Space Cowboy · Post by **Space Cowboy** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:37 pm 0

Fantastic last episode; having Dalek/Cybermen confrontation was absolutely brilliant - made Alien Vs. Predator look crap - and doubly-fantastic because it was the last episode where I'll have to suffer Billie Piper's big-mouthed gormless grin acting.

TDM · Post by **TDM** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:42 pm 0

Hadn't really got into the new series, although i think Tenant makes a good Dr Who (when he's not hamming it up too much), but that was a great episode.

Especially liked the stand off between the Dalek's and Cybermen - "You will identify yourself", "No! You will!".

DutchLlama · Post by **DutchLlama** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:52 pm 0

Mayhem wrote:Quick question... given everything with void stuff on it got pulled through, why didn't the Tardis?

Why didn't they use the Tardis to hide in whilst the Daleks and Cybes got sucked in the hole?

What happened to the Voidship?

Did Yvonne Cybe and the other upgraded human Cybes get sucked to "hell" as well?

Some unresolved plot holes in this story.

Stevo · Post by **Stevo** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:27 pm 0

DutchLlama wrote:
Why didn't they use the Tardis to hide in whilst the Daleks and Cybes got sucked in the hole?

They didnt have time to get there after pulling the levers

laptoplover · Post by **laptoplover** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:39 pm 0

Mayhem wrote:Quick question... given everything with void stuff on it got pulled through, why didn't the Tardis?

It didn't travel through the void before did it. It got knocked off course is all, doesn't mean that it went through the void...

arron · Post by **arron** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:10 pm 0

laptoplover wrote:
Mayhem wrote:Quick question... given everything with void stuff on it got pulled through, why didn't the Tardis?
It didn't travel through the void before did it. It got knocked off course is all, doesn't mean that it went through the void...

But the TARDIS isn't supposed to pass through into alternative dimensions, and the reason that it was able to was probably due to the void ship causing a crack in the first place that caused the TARDIS to crash. The void is like a space between dimensions like gaps between slices of bread, so to go from one to another, you'd need to pass through it at some point.

Lets face it, the basic/extrapolated science behind the script had so many holes in it you could have driven a bus through it. I know that sci-fi doesn't have to stick with the limits to today's science and technology, but if they have to invent stuff, then they need to make it internally consistant. If something works once, then it needs to work in all instances when it is used unless there is a very good and explained/explainable reason why it doesn't. This doesn't require anything more expensive than thinking and a word processor, so it isn't that difficult to do.

It would completely destroy the illusion of realism and narrative to merely discard the forms and barriers setup by the story merely to wrap everything neatly up in the last two minutes. Like having a murder mystery that turns out to be someone who hasn't featured at all in the story until they appear at the end and then arrest them. It's complete laziness and incompetance to be honest. Just because it's fiction, this doesn't mean that you can ignore continuity and consistancy..