Football: WORLD CUP 06 and close season/transfer discussion.

Rev. Stuart Campbell · Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:19 am 0

Dio wrote:
Guru-Meditation wrote:So basically it's ok to cheat, as long as you win.
That's what I was most afraid of, and why I would have preferred France to win.

???

France?

You don't like cheating, so you wanted France to win?

FRANCE?

?????

Rev. Stuart Campbell · Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:23 am 0

No Name wrote:Sledgehammer. Nut. Using one to crack the other. Why ban *all* English teams from Europe? Or if you do, why not ban the national side, too? It's not like hooligans eschewed the England team because it was beneath them.

All teams because it wasn't only Liverpool fans who'd been guilty of drunken thuggery. Heysel was the last and worst in a long line of incidents involving English club supporters. And not the national team because the clubs would have been banned by UEFA, whereas banning the national side would have been a FIFA matter.

People are always calling for UEFA/FIFA to take more drastic steps against racism/violence/cheating/whatever. As long as it's against someone else's team...

Dio · Post by **Dio** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:17 am 0

Rev. Stuart Campbell wrote:
Dio wrote:
Guru-Meditation wrote:So basically it's ok to cheat, as long as you win.
That's what I was most afraid of, and why I would have preferred France to win.
You don't like cheating, so you wanted France to win?

In that it would be a very Italian response to drop the charges against Juve et.al. in the euphoria. As regards on-the-pitch incidents I didn't seen much to separate Italy and France in this world cup...

merman · Post by **merman** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:38 am 0

Marcello Lippi has resigned as Italian coach according to the BBC website... Go out at the top.

No Name · Post by **No Name** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:57 pm 0

Rev. Stuart Campbell wrote:People are always calling for UEFA/FIFA to take more drastic steps against racism/violence/cheating/whatever. As long as it's against someone else's team...

Fair point. And in this case it's Spain, so BAN THEM.

That Craig Bellamy's a cunt, isn't he?

mac monkey · Post by **mac monkey** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:13 pm 0

Au Revoir Cisse

amanset · Post by **amanset** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:23 pm 0

Rev. Stuart Campbell wrote: All teams because it wasn't only Liverpool fans who'd been guilty of drunken thuggery. Heysel was the last and worst in a long line of incidents involving English club supporters. And not the national team because the clubs would have been banned by UEFA, whereas banning the national side would have been a FIFA matter.

People are always calling for UEFA/FIFA to take more drastic steps against racism/violence/cheating/whatever. As long as it's against someone else's team...

As a Coventry fan I feel I have a right to feel pretty hard done by regarding the banning of English clubs. Coventry have only been in Europe once, in the Fairs Cup before I was born. During the ban Coventry won the FA Cup, but I accepted that they wouldn't be in Europe despite the fact that Coventry were not involved in just about anything. In fact, Coventry had a reputation for being somewhat forward thinking, attempting to turn football into family entertainment. Under Jimmy Hill's control, either as Manager or Chairman, Coventry were the first to introduce such things as an all-seater stadium (under the slogan â€œYou canâ€™t be a hooligan sitting downâ€, however standing room was reintroduced when away fans ripped out the seating to use as missiles), pre-game and half-time entertainment and club-controlled trains to away matches (the "Sky Blue Express") amongst other things.

However, as a Coventry fan, I accepted that we couldn't play in Europe. Something needed to be done and it was all for the greater good.

So that's why I get angry when nothing is done to other clubs. The club I have supported all my life suffered, I as a fan suffered, but I accepted it. Now it is time for others to accept it.

amanset · Post by **amanset** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:29 pm 0

No Name wrote: That Craig Bellamy's a cunt, isn't he?

Biggest cunt to ever put on a Sky Blue shirt.

Well, maybe physically he was the smallest ...

No Name · Post by **No Name** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:50 pm 0

amanset wrote:
No Name wrote: That Craig Bellamy's a cunt, isn't he?
Biggest cunt to ever put on a Sky Blue shirt.

I think we can add black-and-white stripes and blue-and-white halves to that list, too.

But, to be fair to him, he has no neck.

Dio · Post by **Dio** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:20 pm 0

And embarassingly right now I'd almost have him back we're that desperate.

He walks like a ghoul from Warcraft III, the way the arms and legs are linked. Unfortunately they didn't have the walk animation on the site.

Guru-Meditation · Post by **Guru-Meditation** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:59 pm 0

Rev. Stuart Campbell wrote:People are always calling for UEFA/FIFA to take more drastic steps against racism/violence/cheating/whatever. As long as it's against someone else's team...

Honestly no complaints about what happened to English teams. Because of it we took a long hard look at ourselves and one could argue the structure of our game is all the stronger for it.

But it does aggreave me that FIFA does nothing about other countries, and turns a blind eye in certain areas (certain supporter groups in Italy, France, Spain and Portugal to name but a few who should know better).

Anyway, time for a funny :

Out on her royal yacht the queen was enjoying the sea air when she spied a man in the water off the port bow â€“ clearly being menaced by a very large shark. Through her binoculars she could see it was Cristiano Ronaldo, struggling frantically to free himself from the jaws of a 20 foot shark!

The queen ordered the captain to change course to try and save the poor man, but she knew the yachts top speed would never get them there in time.

At that exact moment a speedboat containing three men wearing white tops sped into view. One of the men took aim at the shark and fired a harpoon into its ribs, immobilizing it instantly. The other two reached out and pulled Ronaldo from the water and, using long clubs, beat the shark to death.

They bundled the bleeding, semi-conscious Ronaldo into the speedboat along with the dead shark and prepared for a hasty retreat, when they heard frantic calling â€¦â€¦ It was the Queen calling them to the yacht.

On reaching the yacht, the Queen went into raptures about the rescue and said, "I'll give you a knighthood for your brave actions. I thought the England team would hate Ronaldo after the world cup. But I see that the England team are true heroes and should serve as a model for sportsmanship to other countries." She knighted them and sailed away.

As she departed Rooney asked the others, "Who was that?!"

"That," Beckham answered, "was our Queen. She rules the Commonwealth and knows everything about our country."

"Well," Rooney replied, "she knows shit about shark fishing. How's the bait holding up?"

mac monkey · Post by **mac monkey** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:10 pm 0

No Name wrote:
amanset wrote:
No Name wrote: That Craig Bellamy's a cunt, isn't he?
Biggest cunt to ever put on a Sky Blue shirt.
I think we can add black-and-white stripes and blue-and-white halves to that list, too.

But, to be fair to him, he has no neck.

Hey!! Leave the mighty* Bellar's alone

*this maybe subject to change at the end of 06/07 season.

PFVA · Post by **PFVA** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:04 pm 0

Zinedine Zidane has apologised for the headbutt on Italy's Marco Materazzi which earned him a red card in Sunday's World Cup final penalty shoot-out loss.
But the France legend did not reveal what Materazzi said, only confirming that it was "very personal and concerned his mother and his sister".

From BBC News

PFVA · Post by **PFVA** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:15 pm 0

Dr Morbeus wrote: The whole Zidane arguement seems to follow the same pattern as society - the person that fights back gets hammered. The perpetrator gets off.

He cannot justify violence as an answer to racism.

What it can be done, specially for the future, if in fact there was a racist insult is create mechanisms to try to prevent it and somekind of punishment for it. Suspension for players which are proven guilty of it and eventually leading to a ban from the internacional circuit if the behaviour keeps repeating itself. Basically a strong message that it's not OK.

amanset · Post by **amanset** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:16 pm 0

Watched a translator do his bit on it on Sky News. Gah. Maybe we'll finally know what was said after an inquiry by FIFA. The French journalist that Sky had said that perhaps he didn't repeat the exact words as he considered it too rude to be said at a press conference.