Football: WORLD CUP 06 and close season/transfer discussion.

amanset · Post by **amanset** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:33 pm 0

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 177140.stm

FIFA have opened an inquiry into Materazzi's conduct. Apparently they'll be meeting on July 20th, so maybe we'll find out more then.

PFVA · Post by **PFVA** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:05 pm 0

Crystal_sword wrote:its a real shame about mattaratzi.

ALot of people are now thinking if Italy deserved to win it.

IMO, Mat did not, every one else did

I think Italy still deserved to win. They made it to the final and up to the point Zidanne was sent out France wasn't winning either.

The question if Zidanne was there he could have scored on the penalties or before it is too iffy to put the Cup in discussion.

The issue of Mattarazzi conduct being improper or not, and racist or not is different. If in fact happen some kind of punishment would have to be given to him and may from now on create an official set of punishments particularly if it involves racist accusations. I'm not particularly sure even if there was no racism involved, if the players sisters and mothers should be topic of conversation during the game.

I wonder up to a point if Zidanne was trying to make a statement, knowing he was retiring in a few minutes. (I still find interesting that Figo had the same reaction, also not long before his retirement, specially taking in consideration the 2 are friends. Maybe is just coincidence.)

Of course the French fans will always say Italy won because Zidanne, Vieira, and Henry were out, blah, blah but that's always the way the fans console themselves when their country looses. I still think if Robinho had come in 20 or 30 minutes earlier, between him and Ronaldinho Brasil would have won not just against France but the Cup.

Guru-Meditation · Post by **Guru-Meditation** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:50 pm 0

PFVA wrote:The question if Zidanne was there he could have scored on the penalties or before it is too iffy to put the Cup in discussion.

Doesn't realy matter, Trezeguet missed, and all 5 italians scored.

Crystal_sword · Post by **Crystal_sword** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:25 pm 0

hmmm

Thinking, if Zidane was on.

and Henry was NOT sub'd off.

After that, Trezeguet wuld still take the Penalty right? Then it dont matter, because all the other guys scored

Dr Morbeus · Post by **Dr Morbeus** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:25 pm 0

ElfQrin wrote:If I was Materazzi I'd sue them all.

You have clearly been in Italy too long. You'll be asking for the 4 clubs involved in the scandal not to be relegated next.

ElfQrin · Post by **ElfQrin** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:36 pm 0

Dr Morbeus wrote:
ElfQrin wrote:If I was Materazzi I'd sue them all.
You have clearly been in Italy too long. You'll be asking for the 4 clubs involved in the scandal not to be relegated next.

We put gratuitous words in the mouth of Materazzi, now just do the same with ElfQrin?

Actually I wish that all the clubs found guilty get a harsh punishment: having them out of the Serie A will damage the Italian football and even the Italian economy (being part of the Gross Domestic Product), but in the long run it should prevent future temptations.

Zen-Chan · Post by **Zen-Chan** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:14 pm 0

Italian situation:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 164194.stm

Juventus, Lazio and Fiorientina have been demoted to Serie B. Juventus will also have a 30 point deduction, effectively ensuring they won't be promoted straight back up. They have also been stripped of their last two titles (I don't really know how that works, though, do the teams who finished second get the title awarded retrospectively or are they just declared void?)

AC Milan are out of next season's Champions League, and will have a 15 point deduction in Serie A.

Governmentyard · Post by **Governmentyard** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:23 pm 0

Cool

Fuck Italian football. (But not Italians in general, obviously.)

Guru-Meditation · Post by **Guru-Meditation** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:36 pm 0

The two seasons are declared void. It happened in France in 93 with Marseilles.

I think I'm going to invest in some Juventus stocks. Those things are going to be worth a bundle in a few years (or someone will buy them out)

Col · Post by **Col** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:50 pm 0

Looks a just punishment

Governmentyard · Post by **Governmentyard** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:13 pm 0

Why punish the fans and players though?

Why not just long prison sentences for the culprits?

If Doughty and Arthur were match fixing Forest (and let's face it, that'd make a hell of a lot of sense given our last 3 seasons) would we take demotion to the fourth tier as a just punishment?

I mean, we'll probably get relegated this season anyway, but you know...

Dio · Post by **Dio** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:47 am 0

Well, there's no doubt at all you have to strip the titles. As to the demotion it's a tough argument. I think there probably has to be some sanction at the footballing level (after making a mockery of the league for two seasons). Whether or not this is the right one I'm not so sure.

Guru-Meditation · Post by **Guru-Meditation** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:44 am 0

Not sure the fans will care that much about the stripped titles. Marseille brought out a jersey with a gold star to commorate 10 league titles. There was much hoo ha about it from other fans who remembered that one of those titles was declared void.

KevG · Post by **KevG** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:30 am 0

Juventus' demotion by one division seems light when compared with Genoa who I think were demoted to Serie C after being found guilty of fixing one match. I suppose -30 point start doenst do them any favours thogh: will make coming straight baack into Serie A a tad more difficult.

PaulEMoz · Post by **PaulEMoz** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:34 am 0

KevG wrote:Juventus' demotion by one division seems light when compared with Genoa who I think were demoted to Serie C after being found guilty of fixing one match. I suppose -30 point start doenst do them any favours thogh: will make coming straight baack into Serie A a tad more difficult.

Demotion to Serie C would have made it even more difficult.