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Ollie wrote:But they didn't even bother coming up with a bullshit hand-wavy explanation for Pete Tyler's amazing trans-dimensional psychic powers. And it does bother me, that they seem to have decided the audience isn't smart enough to notice things like that.
Or, alternatively, RTD was expecting audience members to be smarter than they actually might be and work it out for themselves.

Earlier in the episode, Pete and the others show up with those jump buttons, grab the Doctor and jump over to the other universe.

At first, the Doctor panics because the other Earth is in trouble and they've just jumped away from it and demands to go back.

Pete reassures the Doctor that there's no need to worry because there's a time displacement between the two universes. Though time feels to move at the same rate in both universes, the "other" universe runs much faster than "this" universe.

The Doctor hears the explanation and then goes "ah! That's how you had time to invent these jump button things". Because all the events in "this" universe since the Cybermen jumped over was actually equivalent to three years in "this" universe.

This "relative time displacement" between the two universes explains the ending perfectly.

At the end, they all jump over to the "other" universe except the Doctor.

Rose, though, hits her jump button to go back. She does this almost immediately after reaching the "other" universe. It appears instaneous to us because we're following Rose's point of view and, therefore, her perception of time where the jump was instant.

In fact, it wasn't. The second it took her to press her jump button once more probably translates as 5 or 10 minutes to the Doctor (who was using that time in the room to prepare to get rid of the Daleks. Programming the TARDIS to resist the void or messing around with the settings on the clamps or something).

Now if we think about what Pete was doing during this time, he probably took a few seconds to realise Rose had jumped back, he also might have taken some time to consider whether he should risk the jump - risk that he might end up in the void - and maybe there also was a round of nagging from Jackie: "Go get her, you idiot!!".

Anyway, let's say that Pete decides to quickly jump back to grab Rose a second time in around 10 to 20 seconds after Rose disappears. This translates as a much longer time in "this" universe. Roughly equivalent to, ooh, the time it takes the Doctor and Rose to set up the clamps, throw the levers, hang on for a while as the Daleks are sucked back in, for Rose to leave go of the clamp and start falling towards the void.

Pete was not "psychic" but simply hit his jump button shortly after Rose hit hers.

Fortunately, due to the large time discrepancy betwen universes, this means he actually arrived minutes later.

As for his positioning, it was just where he was standing when he hit his jump button the first time. They were all nearer the wall when they jumped over to the "other" universe.

Hence, the timing is explained by the relative time discrepancy between universes (explained earlier in the episode) and his position is explained simply because, yes, that's where he was standing when he jumped the first time.

Pete jumped back to get Rose. Probably hoping to jump back before they'd opened the void.

But thanks to the time discrepancy, he was too late for that and the void was already open. Therefore, in fact, Pete might have turned up with "bad timing" for what he's originally intended to do but it coincidentally was perfect timing for stopping Rose being sucked off into the void.

The coincidence that this was the perfect time and place is, of course, down to "lady luck". But - at least how I interpreted it - there was not meant to be any suggestion of "psychic powers".

The time discrepancy explained earlier tells us why Pete showed up when he did. He actually pressed his jump button only shortly after Rose hit hers. But this translates into a longer time in "this" universe.

Perhaps RTD wasn't thinking the audience was thick. Perhaps he actually was expecting the audience to remember the time discrepancy - so he didn't have to patronise the audience Hollywood-style by having one of the characters speak it out loud - to realise for themselves why Pete showed up when he did.


No, no. If you want to be pedantic then there are much more obvious errors.

When Rose starts falling, she falls feet first (because we're looking at her screaming face as she flies off towards the void). The shot is slow motion and long lasting that we can see that there is no "spin" to her fall at all. It's feet first and straight down in the void.

Therefore, why is she not feet first when Pete appears to grab her - he grabs her around the waist and Rose is not horizontal but vertical and seemingly also pointing in the reverse direction, even if she somehow "spun around" between shots which we somehow didn't see?

Because, really, from the previous shot, Rose should really have kicked Pete in the face when he appeared. Which would have been both more realistic and slightly funny in a schadenfreude way.

No, the timing of Pete's appearance actually makes some kind of sense.

The bad continuity between those two shots, though, makes little sense at all. :lol: :roll: :D
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Still doesn't explain why Pete was clearly, from the way he was standing, expecting to have to catch someone as soon as he jumped through.
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Ollie wrote:Still doesn't explain why Pete was clearly, from the way he was standing, expecting to have to catch someone as soon as he jumped through.
Well, that's it then. It's all ruined.
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Ollie wrote:Still doesn't explain why Pete was clearly, from the way he was standing, expecting to have to catch someone as soon as he jumped through.
Or he was bracing himself for someone with a big cock coming up from behind...
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SimonB wrote:
Ollie wrote:Still doesn't explain why Pete was clearly, from the way he was standing, expecting to have to catch someone as soon as he jumped through.
Or he was bracing himself for someone with a big cock coming up from behind...
At last, an explanation that makes sense! Pete jumped across to escape Mickey's cock, found himself unexpectedly catching Rose, so jumped back to rescue her. Thanks for clearing that up at last!
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Does this ending make more sense? :)

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HGFB wrote:Does this ending make more sense? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F0qUmeRI7E
Yes. Yes, it does.
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HGFB wrote:Does this ending make more sense? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F0qUmeRI7E
It still leaves it open for a sequel. I'd be happier if there was a passenger plane to follow afterwards to ensure that the Daleks don't have any further problems in future.. ;)
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HGFB wrote:Does this ending make more sense? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F0qUmeRI7E
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Ollie wrote:Still doesn't explain why Pete was clearly, from the way he was standing, expecting to have to catch someone as soon as he jumped through.
True.

Maybe it was just psychic powers or something after all.

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arron wrote:
HGFB wrote:Does this ending make more sense? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F0qUmeRI7E
It still leaves it open for a sequel.
The sequel has already been made:

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HGFB wrote:Does this ending make more sense? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F0qUmeRI7E
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Official Captain Jack news
John Barrowman, who appeared at the London Film and Comic Con on 2 July, announced that he has signed a contract to appear in Series Three of Doctor Who as Captain Jack Harkness, the role he originated in the final five episodes of Series One and will reprise in the forthcoming spinoff series "Torchwood". Barrowman indicated that he would be filming "Torchwood" through October; he noted that after he finishes work on that series in October, which he noted is "just as it's going on air," he will return to Doctor Who through the end of 2006's filming schedule. (No indication if he returns after the holiday recording break, however.) Barrowman also addressed some questions about "Torchwood," saying that the "two years missing" from Jack's memory would be addressed in that series, that he's enjoying filming with his current fellow castmates (including an actor named Gareth, last name unknown, who plays the recurring role of "Lanto") and that the character becomes "a bit darker, a bit more mysterious because he doesn't want to give himself away right off the bat. That's all I'll say. But you'll still like him." A transcript of Barrowman's appearance at the event has been posted by the actor's official website
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Final ratings for episode twelve of this year's season, Army of Ghosts, which was broadcast on 1 July, have been issued by the BARB: adjusted for time-shifted recording, the episode was watched by 8.19 million people. The episode ranked third for the week in all programs and seventh in individual airings, behind four installments of World Cup coverage and two episodes of "Coronation Street".
Additionally, the episode of Doctor Who Confidential that followed the same night scored 570,000 viewers (fourth overall for the week on BBC and 19th on all non-terrestrial channels), while the Sunday night (2 July) repeat of "Army of Ghosts" was viewed by 756,000 viewers, first for the week on the BBC3 lineup and fifth overall for all non-terrestrial channels. The subsequent Friday night (7 July) reshowing of "Army of Ghosts" also scored 560,000 viewers in the initial overnight ratings reports (with a 4% audience share); this was the highest-ranked Friday night repeat figure for the series to date.
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adjusted for time-shifted recording, the episode was watched by 8.19 million people
This conjures up some excellent images.
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