FOOTBALL: Season 2006/07 Discussion Thread

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The American wrote:First, English soccer goes way back to the 19th century
Yes, it's a relatively recently developed sport, but we're more or less proud of how people have taken to it. Hopefully it will go on to deveop a real history and become a major success.

I'm giving up reading him now, he's spouting some fucking shite about Man City.
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I like Bill Simmons. He writes some entertaining stuff.

The guy only really started watching football during the World Cup, so that gives you some kind of idea of how much investigation he put into his search for a team :)

And, having read some of his previous articles, I think he'd be tickled by the idea of promotion and relegation in sports. After this seasons basketball playoffs a lot of writers in the US were salivating at the quality shown in the first round of the playoffs. The idea of seeing the top x teams playing, with the prospect of going down to a lower level would excite them. However the prospect of half the teams making more money than the other half (and the other half being seen in a less friendly eye), owners facing the possilibity of seeing a multi million dollar (in some cases almost billion dollar) team having half it's value wiped out because of dodgy results, and for the league to face the prospect of teams in major cities dropping into "lower leagues" .. it'll never happen in the USA. There's too much money involved. And sadly it's the kind of thing that could realistically happen in the UK.

A case in point would be the New York Knicks in the USA. This is the team with the highest salary in the NBA, in the biggest sports area of the country. And more importantly, the biggest market. However for the past few years they've made some terrible personnel decisions and last year either finished with the worst or close to the worst record in the league. If this team were playing in a promotion/relegation structure they'd be out of the elite. In the sporting sense it's a good thing. They'd get a while to make amends, get some wins to get their confidence back and jump right back up as should-be-good teams do. However for marketting purposes it's a disaster, especially in the American market. Your biggest markets don't always care if their team is losing, they'll still watch and buy the merchandise because they're facing the best teams. If the Knicks were relegated you'd be wiping hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue away.

Now let's take their equivalent in Premier League history. Leeds Utd. Due to the lack of a salary cap and reduced monitoring (plus transfer fees, which don't exist in the US .. only trades) they ran themselves into a ground and got relegated. The Premiership barely blinks. British supporters can be fickle, but they're loyal. Man City fans could get 30000 supporters at Maine Road even during the darker days. They'd still buy the merchandise. If one of the big 4 (Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea) manages to screw up an entire season the Premiership won't suffer. The root supporters are loyal to their team in suffering and in health. On the flip side foreign supporters will go for the glory teams in the glory tournaments and flip sides on a whimsey. Joe Schmoe supporters who will only turn up for the big games aren't as big a factor to the UK system as they are in the US. For the really big teams to suffer (the big 4 + Spurs, Newcastle, Aston Villa and Everton) they'd have to be relegated and either stay relegated for 5+ seasons or drop again and not go up for 2+ seasons). For examples of these look at :

Coventry : Top flight for 30+ seasons, now mostly off the radar.
West Ham : Bounce back after a couple of seasons below, look as good as ever.
Sheffield Wednesday : Where did they go? They were in the Premiership for 8 seasons.
Wimbledon : Ditto.

One of the more bizarre examples would be Sunderland. Their last stable period of anything was in the 50's. Since then they've never gone longer than 3 seasons through a period of stability, either battling relegation in the top flight, or challenging for promotion in the second division. Even at their lowest eb between 1985 and 1995 they only finished mid table twice, with 2 promotions and 3 relegations. And their last 5 years have been extreme examples of too good for second tier, too crap for top tier.

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goatboy wrote:I'm giving up reading him now, he's spouting some fucking shite about Man City.
It's actually pretty truthful I'd say :) And I wouldn't complain about being the 4th most desirable team to support right now. My team didn't even break the top 10.
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You've heard the news, then? :)
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In what way was it "amicable"? In that Ellis didn't smack him in his piggy nose?
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O'Leary left by mutual contempt... I mean consent.

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I quite liked O'Leary when he came on the scene with Leeds. Was gracious in victory and defeat in the early days, but became* a complete twat as time went on with his whinging and bitching after each loss. The referee, the pitch, the opposition cheated, a pigeon shat on the post, etc, etc. Get stuffed you git.

The Premiership will be a far better place without him.

(* meaning I didn't know he was a complete twat prior to this... :) )
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Guru-Meditation wrote:Looks like Spurs are the bandwagon to jump on if you're a foreigner :P

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ons/060719
Good read that :D

Although he's making a school boy error supporting Spurs over Liverpool :wink:

Also Liverpool most hated rival is not any of the London teams IMO it just Chelsea, and nearer to home the mancs obviously, although since Mourinho came on the scene i have more time for the mancs....can't believe i wrote that...DAMN ITS TOO HOT!!
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ZURICH, Switzerland (Ticker) - France playmaker Zinedine Zidane has been handed a three-match ban and a fine for his World Cup final head-butt on Italy defender Marco Materazzi, who himself has been suspended for two games and fined for provoking the incident.

With Zidane having quit soccer after the World Cup final, the ban is academic, but the 34-year-old instead will spend three days working with world governing body FIFA.

Zidane was fined 7,500 Swiss francs ($6,000) while Materazzi must pay 5000 Swiss francs ($4,000) for the incident, which occurred in extra time of the World Cup final with the match poised at 1-1.

Hopefully on the next cups we'll have more football and less discussions about the players family (or whatever was said) at least before the final game if the players will worry about being suspended from the next games. If not maybe increasing the # of suspensions will help.
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PFVA wrote:
ZURICH, Switzerland (Ticker) - France playmaker Zinedine Zidane has been handed a three-match ban and a fine for his World Cup final head-butt on Italy defender Marco Materazzi, who himself has been suspended for two games and fined for provoking the incident.

With Zidane having quit soccer after the World Cup final, the ban is academic, but the 34-year-old instead will spend three days working with world governing body FIFA.

Zidane was fined 7,500 Swiss francs ($6,000) while Materazzi must pay 5000 Swiss francs ($4,000) for the incident, which occurred in extra time of the World Cup final with the match poised at 1-1.
Probably fair, however Materazzi was punished only due to Zidane's reaction. I'm sure there were many similar insults from both sides in the same match, not counting all the other matches.
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mac monkey wrote:
Guru-Meditation wrote:Looks like Spurs are the bandwagon to jump on if you're a foreigner :P

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ons/060719
Good read that :D

Although he's making a school boy error supporting Spurs over Liverpool :wink:

Also Liverpool most hated rival is not any of the London teams IMO it just Chelsea, and nearer to home the mancs obviously, although since Mourinho came on the scene i have more time for the mancs....can't believe i wrote that...DAMN ITS TOO HOT!!
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ElfQrin wrote:
PFVA wrote:
ZURICH, Switzerland (Ticker) - France playmaker Zinedine Zidane has been handed a three-match ban and a fine for his World Cup final head-butt on Italy defender Marco Materazzi, who himself has been suspended for two games and fined for provoking the incident.

With Zidane having quit soccer after the World Cup final, the ban is academic, but the 34-year-old instead will spend three days working with world governing body FIFA.

Zidane was fined 7,500 Swiss francs ($6,000) while Materazzi must pay 5000 Swiss francs ($4,000) for the incident, which occurred in extra time of the World Cup final with the match poised at 1-1.
Probably fair, however Materazzi was punished only due to Zidane's reaction. I'm sure there were many similar insults from both sides in the same match, not counting all the other matches.

That is a good point. Hopefully we won't need to have a reaction like that to bring something like that up. I don't know if that may have been part of Zidanne's reasons something like "Hey, i'm retiring, i don't give a fuck anymore. I'm not going to put up w/ insults anymore. This one is going to be for this one and all the insults i had to put up with during my career". Figo too, maybe.

On the other side with the amount of TV cameras, and the quality and size of the TV picture increasing all the time it's going to be very easy to see -lipreading - what the players say on the field and that may bring the change.
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Post by GeeZa »

That ESPN article is fantastic. It's gone round to everyone I know in the US. :D I love reading those different perspectives:

"Newcastle is famous for spending money on guys who either crap the bed or have something horrible happen to them."

Brilliant.
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The comparison of the Toon with the Raiders is quite an interesting one for certain.

Although I don't agree with the comment about people getting abuse for wearing a Newcastle shirt, I've never had any. Sympathy and/or laughter perhaps...
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