Unity on XBox?
Once more, I say: No, it isn't.Dave wrote:Oh, but it is true!
I use one of your own links to prove you wrong:
http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/nero.php
and, by the way, they were doing this LONG before it was possible to run stuff straight from the HDD.
..and believe me, all that crap from anandtech is TOTALLY wrong. I'm not going to go into it any more - NDAs and all that crap.
Yea, and DVD-Rs that hold the same as the GC discsDave wrote:They do have 150MB (or so) CDR's out that are the same size
Nothing is worth the effort you put into it.
Well I have had to burn disks for the thing as part of my job, yes -
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If anyone's interested about the autopsy, I found it again: http://gubbeen.dowcarter.com/forum/view ... laser+headSnakey wrote:I'd take anything about disc formats with a large pinch of salt. People have said the same thing about every other console (see Dave's comment above) and it's later been proven to be complete rubbish. The thing with the cube is, because of the way the system is designed, it's hard to mod it. But if somebody figured that out, you can bet your ass someone else would find a way to burn discs that would boot. They've already found ways to read them. It can't be that hard.teamonkey wrote:There was an autopsy posted on here a few months ago that described the non-standard format that the GameCube uses
The XBox will be a failure, or at least the XBox 2. Microsoft cannot continue to pour money into a sinking ship. The amount of funding it has taken to make the Xbox perform (slightly) better than the Gamecube would be enough for Nintendo to have made the Gamecube crush the Xbox ten times over by now. It simply takes too much to keep this heavy box afloat.Rambozo, I know you're a Nintendo fanboy, and I too want to see the cube do well, but you really do need to wake up. One of the three current consoles is indeed an "underdog", many developers dropped support for it a while ago. And it isn't the Xbox. Don't take my word for it (I know you won't icon_wink.gif ) just try asking a few people in the industry.
Naturally, with the hype surrounding the box, everyone who looks to latch on to the next big thing is heralding the XBox as a Nintendo killer. However, back in the 16 bit days, Sega dominated nintendo to an insane degree, but in the end, Nintendo's quality games won out.
Nintendo has weathered and outlasted every single competitor. To think that they would go under now, or that their latest passing enemy would last beyond a generation or two is ludicrous.
Also, as crazy as it may sound, I think Sony will take a dive soon as well. Much as Sega shot it's own foot by adopting the latest technology before it was ready,(SegaCD) the PS3's "Download only" plan for games will likely sink Sony's game devision permanently. Their "Cell" technology will prove to be just jargon, like their "emotion engine", full of empty promises and outdated technology. And their plan to require you to have an internet connection to even get any games is insane.
Sega challenged Nintendo, and died. Atari challenged Nintendo and died. NEC challenged nintendo (and to a greater extent, Sega) and their system went down the tubes as well. It doesn't take much foresight to guess what will happen to Microsoft and Sony. Microsoft will eventually begin to get low on cash, especially when they put all their eggs into the "palladium" basket only to have it fail. They will pull the XBox or XBox 2. Sony, despite dominating fro two generations, will slip up terribly with the PS3. With any luck, Sega will rise up to take its place.
Just thought I'd add my three-pennerth.
Playstation is the only "mass-market" console format out there and is certain to remain so at least until the next round of the "console wars", a term which is becoming something of a misnomer and should be renamed "set-top-box" wars. I am sure Sony and Microsoft want to have a box under your TV to control the movies, music and games you will be watching, listening and playing in 5-8 years time.
It's a potentially huge market and one which Nintendo seems to have little interest in competing in at present. They just make great (the best) games and nice hardware to play them on. The latter part of the statement may change, but I think there is at least one more console left in them yet. If you want to play Nintendo games for the next 4-5 years you are probably going to have to buy a Nintendo box to play them on.
I actually think the hardware you own will become less of an issue with regards to what games you can play in the next 5-10 years or so. Most developers can't afford to specialise and create a truly console specific version of the game which exploits the native hardware to its fullest now - what are they going to do when the next round of absurdly powerful boxes hit the streets?
You are going to see much more generic titles with very few differences between the "formats" as is becoming the case now. The only format really worth developing for for most developers at the moment is PS2 unless you are a big Japanese developer or a loner like Yak whose game isn't costing millions and millions of dollars (or if you are not being subsidised by Microsoft to make an Xbox version). As PS2 is the lowest common denominator technologically most of the "improvements" on multi-format games are minor increases in texture quality or model resolution. I.e. Nice but not really big enough to make the game on one format that preferable to the game on another format. This trend will continue.
In fact, with games being delivered through "networks" whoever makes the box that sits under your TV will hopefully become irrelevant to the majority of end users. Just choose the game you want and the appropriate "format" gets squirted down the line. The difference between the game played on a Sony box or a Microsoft box will be almost negligable.
The whole "not buying a console (or software) because you don't like the ethics of the manufacturer" is the choice of the individual and I respect someone who will avoid playing some great titles on the matter of principal like DTJ. It's not something I would do personally as I just want to play the best games and don't really care enough about who makes them. I can't see this changing in the forseeable future, in fact it will get worse as the majority of the best games will be made by those with the deepest pockets... Hopefully though, with the capabilities of consoles becoming more similar and the games becoming more generic technologically for reasons of cost the choice of which box you have under your TV will have less ramifactions with regards to which games you can play.
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Playstation is the only "mass-market" console format out there and is certain to remain so at least until the next round of the "console wars", a term which is becoming something of a misnomer and should be renamed "set-top-box" wars. I am sure Sony and Microsoft want to have a box under your TV to control the movies, music and games you will be watching, listening and playing in 5-8 years time.
It's a potentially huge market and one which Nintendo seems to have little interest in competing in at present. They just make great (the best) games and nice hardware to play them on. The latter part of the statement may change, but I think there is at least one more console left in them yet. If you want to play Nintendo games for the next 4-5 years you are probably going to have to buy a Nintendo box to play them on.
I actually think the hardware you own will become less of an issue with regards to what games you can play in the next 5-10 years or so. Most developers can't afford to specialise and create a truly console specific version of the game which exploits the native hardware to its fullest now - what are they going to do when the next round of absurdly powerful boxes hit the streets?
You are going to see much more generic titles with very few differences between the "formats" as is becoming the case now. The only format really worth developing for for most developers at the moment is PS2 unless you are a big Japanese developer or a loner like Yak whose game isn't costing millions and millions of dollars (or if you are not being subsidised by Microsoft to make an Xbox version). As PS2 is the lowest common denominator technologically most of the "improvements" on multi-format games are minor increases in texture quality or model resolution. I.e. Nice but not really big enough to make the game on one format that preferable to the game on another format. This trend will continue.
In fact, with games being delivered through "networks" whoever makes the box that sits under your TV will hopefully become irrelevant to the majority of end users. Just choose the game you want and the appropriate "format" gets squirted down the line. The difference between the game played on a Sony box or a Microsoft box will be almost negligable.
The whole "not buying a console (or software) because you don't like the ethics of the manufacturer" is the choice of the individual and I respect someone who will avoid playing some great titles on the matter of principal like DTJ. It's not something I would do personally as I just want to play the best games and don't really care enough about who makes them. I can't see this changing in the forseeable future, in fact it will get worse as the majority of the best games will be made by those with the deepest pockets... Hopefully though, with the capabilities of consoles becoming more similar and the games becoming more generic technologically for reasons of cost the choice of which box you have under your TV will have less ramifactions with regards to which games you can play.
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Don't be silly - this is fun 
Seriously though, I do believe the Xbox will take a tighter grip this year. I noticed yesterday at GAME that it is now £129 + some of the games have been reduced slightly.
When punters see the likes of Soul Calibur 2 running on the machine (which is absolutely stunning) I'm sure units will start to move. Especially when Halo drops in price (which is still one of the best console games ever).
Personally, I hope Unity comes out on as many systems as possible. Keeping it exclusive to one unit makes no business sense whatsoever - if I were to release a game, I'd want it everywhere, not limited to one unit that appears to be struggling.
(this comes from a big GC fan !)
Seriously though, I do believe the Xbox will take a tighter grip this year. I noticed yesterday at GAME that it is now £129 + some of the games have been reduced slightly.
When punters see the likes of Soul Calibur 2 running on the machine (which is absolutely stunning) I'm sure units will start to move. Especially when Halo drops in price (which is still one of the best console games ever).
Personally, I hope Unity comes out on as many systems as possible. Keeping it exclusive to one unit makes no business sense whatsoever - if I were to release a game, I'd want it everywhere, not limited to one unit that appears to be struggling.
(this comes from a big GC fan !)
@SnakeySnakey wrote:... I too want to see the cube do well, but you really do need to wake up. One of the three current consoles is indeed an "underdog", many developers dropped support for it a while ago. And it isn't the Xbox. Don't take my word for it (I know you won't) just try asking a few people in the industry.
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I know next to nowt about how the Biz ticks but if GC sales pick up substantially and soon, say on the back of the recent price cuts and with the arrival of more and better titles, do you think those developers who withdrew support would reinstate it again?
Or will they just stick with where they're at ??
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Well, there is more than one IRC channel...
Personally. I'd like to see Unity on everything, including Xbox, PS/2, PC and even GBA. I'd like to see it on mobile phones, in PDA's and as an optional extra when I try and get money from an ATM. I want Unity to be as inclusive as possible. I want my mother to be able to play it...
Surely it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility for Jeff to develop the original Unity (on the Gamecube) and for a small army of porters to migrate it to other platforms? It happened with T2K (to varying degrees of success) so why not with Unity?
We've already had one or seven people offering their services to do this...
Cheers
Chris
Personally. I'd like to see Unity on everything, including Xbox, PS/2, PC and even GBA. I'd like to see it on mobile phones, in PDA's and as an optional extra when I try and get money from an ATM. I want Unity to be as inclusive as possible. I want my mother to be able to play it...
Surely it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility for Jeff to develop the original Unity (on the Gamecube) and for a small army of porters to migrate it to other platforms? It happened with T2K (to varying degrees of success) so why not with Unity?
We've already had one or seven people offering their services to do this...
Cheers
Chris
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