the surprising thing is...

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:00 pm 0

Bankshot Billiards was 1200 points (or Â£10.20).

I think 400 points is probably the best bet - you really need to get the high demo conversion rates, and anything above that makes people think twice.

The options are 400, 800 and 1200 points (I believe only Bankshot Billiards is 1200). The question is at 800 points will you get more than half the sales you would have at 400?

Possibly the best comparison would be the sales figures for Geometry Wars (400 points) and Mutant Storm (800 points) - 2 similar games. IIRC - the figures I've seen suggest that GW has sold approaching 200 000 copies and MS has sold below 40 000, despite MS being arguably the better game (I'd argue it anyway

). There are plenty of other reasons for this - the accessibility of the demos, the short game format of GW, and just the hype surrounding it, but I'd guess the cost is a major factor too.

And at 400 points you'll get all the gamerscore whores buying it regardless of whether they like it or not, just for the 200 potential points it'll give them.

TT · Post by TT » Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:13 pm 0

Jeff is there much hangover from Unity going into this game? You know things you learnt, stuff you liked etc?

Post by **RiK** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:23 pm 0

Yak wrote:so when my *next* XBLA game comes out they'll be hopefully eager to buy that too .

Scrolly shooter please.

Andes Attack++ will do nicely

limb_clock · Post by **limb_clock** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:27 pm 0

Iridis Alpha++ will get the blessing of "bob" and be protected by JHVH-1, god of WRATH.

sack · Post by **sack** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:07 pm 0

RiK wrote:
Yak wrote:so when my *next* XBLA game comes out they'll be hopefully eager to buy that too .
Scrolly shooter please.

Andes Attack++ will do nicely

..after Ancipital 'holy fuck - my brain!' edition

limb_clock · Post by **limb_clock** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:12 pm 0

dammit

Why aren't more Developers as kind as polite as Yak is?

arron · Post by **arron** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:31 pm 0

Yak wrote:Maybe we'll name it after our lamb.

Oh, hang on...

How about 0v1n3 (Ovine)? It certainly fits

I'm sorry if I stirred all this trouble, but to me Jeff ought to get what he's rightfully due in an increasingly competitive commercial environment, being one of an decreasing number of good guys vs the Suits and less than five quid seemed very very cheap. If you can keep enough tucked away for a welsh rainy day to keep new games coming out, then you're onto a winner as far as continuing to exist as a games house.

Plus it's not as if the extra few coins would go to waste with the YakLlab's increasing flock. You could buy a lot of sheep pencils and McVities bikkies for that amount of money.

PVB · Post by **PVB** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:34 pm 0

limb_clock wrote:dammit

Why aren't more Developers as kind as polite as Yak is?

Things that upset Yak:

Telling him his latest game is another Tempest rip off.

PVB saying he prefers T2K to T3K.

Someone on these forums ordering a lamb meal at a Jolly.

limb_clock · Post by **limb_clock** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:36 pm 0

PVB · Post by **PVB** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:38 pm 0

arron wrote:
Yak wrote:Maybe we'll name it after our lamb.

Oh, hang on...
How about 0v1n3 (Ovine)? It certainly fits

I'm sorry if I stirred all this trouble, but to me Jeff ought to get what he's rightfully due in an increasingly competitive commercial environment, being one of an decreasing number of good guys vs the Suits and less than five quid seemed very very cheap. If you can keep enough tucked away for a welsh rainy day to keep new games coming out, then you're onto a winner as far as continuing to exist as a games house.

Plus it's not as if the extra few coins would go to waste with the YakLlab's increasing flock. You could buy a lot of sheep pencils and McVities bikkies for that amount of money.

I can see where you're coming from, but lets face it, there's a lot of people out there that would grab a pirated copy of Geometry Wars 2 rather than pay Â£4 for it.

Still, Yak could always put text in the game pointing to other games they can still buy, like GR++.

Or maybe to buy the printed edition of 'The History Of Llamasoft - A furry tail.' (sic)

Peet · Post by **Peet** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:44 pm 0

arron wrote:
Yak wrote:Maybe we'll name it after our lamb.

Oh, hang on...
How about 0v1n3 (Ovine)? It certainly fits

I'm sorry if I stirred all this trouble, but to me Jeff ought to get what he's rightfully due in an increasingly competitive commercial environment, being one of an decreasing number of good guys vs the Suits and less than five quid seemed very very cheap. If you can keep enough tucked away for a welsh rainy day to keep new games coming out, then you're onto a winner as far as continuing to exist as a games house.

Plus it's not as if the extra few coins would go to waste with the YakLlab's increasing flock. You could buy a lot of sheep pencils and McVities bikkies for that amount of money.

Ovinity!

gilesgoat · Post by **gilesgoat** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:45 pm 0

PVB wrote:
arron wrote:
Yak wrote:Maybe we'll name it after our lamb.

Oh, hang on...
How about 0v1n3 (Ovine)? It certainly fits

I'm sorry if I stirred all this trouble, but to me Jeff ought to get what he's rightfully due in an increasingly competitive commercial environment, being one of an decreasing number of good guys vs the Suits and less than five quid seemed very very cheap. If you can keep enough tucked away for a welsh rainy day to keep new games coming out, then you're onto a winner as far as continuing to exist as a games house.

Plus it's not as if the extra few coins would go to waste with the YakLlab's increasing flock. You could buy a lot of sheep pencils and McVities bikkies for that amount of money.
I can see where you're coming from, but lets face it, there's a lot of people out there that would grab a pirated copy of Geometry Wars 2 rather than pay Â£4 for it.

Still, Yak could always put text in the game pointing to other games they can still buy, like GR++.

Or maybe to buy the printed edition of 'The History Of Llamasoft - A furry tail.' (sic)

Those people should understand that if one puts out a game at Â£4 and
your are going to pirate it, chanches that you won't see any more games
at Â£4 and that people that do them best to make games (that are not
just shit) costing Â£4 could disappear leaving space only to those
"megacorp" putting out only games at Â£50 or so are big.

People like those even destroy all the "bedroom coders" that can't
afford "incredibly distribution medias" and that would be very happy to
maybe have just 1000 copies of their thing sold at Â£4 each to make another one.

Who pirates a Â£4 thing that costed months and months of hard work
can just go ...

Â£4 is a price that "everyone should be able to afford", you can probably
find Â£4 collecting lost coins.

arron · Post by **arron** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:45 pm 0

PVB wrote:Still, Yak could always put text in the game pointing to other games they can still buy, like GR++.

That's a very good point, thanks for reminding me..

PVB wrote:Or maybe to buy the printed edition of 'The History Of Llamasoft - A furry tail.' (sic)

And that is something I would indeed pay good money for. Along with lots of pictures of how we got from there to here..

Spoongod · Post by **Spoongod** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:50 pm 0

Call the game 'Laserspaff'. It's all bright and stuff, and there's at least one screenie which had a liquid similar to spaff in it.

Actually, don't listen to my idea. It's very silly and also rather bad.

Stephen · Post by **Stephen** » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:08 am 0

Damn it - cunt cunt cunt. How am I supopsed to resist purchasing a 360 now?!? Time to start EBaying some crap.

Stephen Anderson