Fuck this place

[Samus]

All I'm saying is that there is a *reason* he is disliked by some people, and that reason is entirely of his own making.

I don't know what reason/s you mean, but I can think of many, and most of them are good, or even desirable, in my book. Just difficult in this world.

I know you and many others have a longer and way more personal history with the Rev than I have, maybe that explains something / everything. Just wanted to point out that I've found it very possible (and refreshingly constructive) to have a disagreement with the guy without things going downhill. I'm sorry that you've had bad experiences. Hope it clears up in time.

[gravy]

Here's more accurate version of events here's one with what was actually said.

If any of it's wrong Stu then call me on it but all I've put here is what you've said with little left out and it paints a very different picture to your paraphrasing.

A while ago, I happened to reveal in a PM to gravy that as a result of the actions of Future Publishing, I was in some fairly serious financial difficulties. The company had (well-documentedly) illegally reproduced a large quantity of my work on a huge scale - almost 1,000 individual instances - for profit and without credit. I took them to court, but earlier this year lost on a procedural technicality despite Future not contesting the actual allegations (they spent far more on lawyers looking to exploit such loopholes than it would have cost them to just settle the case), and the judge awarded costs against me somewhere in the region of £30,000. Naturally, since Future also controls 90% of the videogames-magazine business and blacklisted me from writing for any of their publications, this made things pretty rough from a career/earning a living point of view.

Well that is bad but a bald faced lie to say that's what you told me. "Fuck All" would be a more accurate description.

The majority of that is something I had fuck all knowledge about. All I was aware of was you effectively blacklisting yourself from Future by suing one of the only video game's companies in the UK. I had no idea you'd lost or the financial position you're in.

And that's becuase what you actually PM'd me was :

And the spitefulness of the comment? You're not that fucked are you?

Thanks to our old pals at Future, more fucked than you could possibly imagine.

I'm not fucking psychic. Where's the priviliged information?

His response, as he's intimated above, was "You're such a cunt anything I do is justified".

Ah fuck it. Here's all of it. Make your own mind up. I don't quite see if that way and there's not much difference in what was actually said and what I posted a few pages back unlike the massive gulf between Stu's post and reality

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I thought (for a change) the out run piece was something you actually got paid for

Do you jump up and down in front of people in wheelchairs too?

"Hey, cripple! Look what I can do! Ha ha ha!"

I've had my career pretty much fucked by standing up for what was right against a bunch of greedy thieving lying cunts. So far so boo-hoo, I knew the risks when I took the stand I took. I'm not asking for anyone's sympathy, just trying to stay alive somehow, so I have to admit to being somewhat mystified as to quite what I did to you to justify the spiteful way you keep repeatedly and gleefully pointing out that my financial situation is difficult. I'm a resourceful guy, and thus far I've managed it without having to go and flip burgers. I just don't get why you, from a somewhat more comfortable position, feel the need to be such a cunt about it.

I don't think I'm being a cunt and to be honest you're the absolute last person I'd take advice from about how to behave on the internet or towards other people in general.

*shrug*

I sleep real well at night, knowing that I'm not the sort of arsehole who mocks people in trouble. I only fling abuse at people for things they deserve it for. I really had thought a bit better of you, but I'm often wrong about such things. Hey ho.

Your defintion of "deserve" is wildly different from a lot of us here on planet earth which just makes you look like an acerbic cunt rather than someone battling for dearly held values.

Just like so much of the problems the solution is in your own hands, stop being such an acerbic cunt on the forums and you won't hear a peep out of me.

And what brought that on? Some tosser wading into a perfectly friendly thread and gratuitously insulting me and me telling him to get lost before getting back to chatting amicably with everyone else? Jeez, what a bastard I am.

Fuck you, man. I'm entirely at peace with the person I am and what I say, and as far as I'm concerned you rank alongside Jim Davidson. I might be skint, but who needs money when you're morally superior? Cheerio now.

[StooieStooie]

I didnt like Cannon Fodder II

I must admit I preferred the first one.

[Spoongod]

You see, this is what happens. Two people get into a "He said, I said, We said" debate and I don't know who's being irrational, One, the Other or Both.

Fucking silly, really, since if I were taking favourites I would almost certainly side with Gravy. But I won't take favourties because I can't for the life in me get to the bottom of it.

What we need, Ladies and Gentlemen, is an Atourney. You've all play Phoenix Wright, yes? Well, he can get the truth out of a fucking rock. That's what we need.

First person to link to an 'Objection' takes -D4 hitpoints and spend the next turn gripping their right shin in pain.

[RageMatrix]

Really? I've had a few many page disagreements with him, but they've mostly been nice, constructive, helpful and to the point. I think the last time was regarding Zoo Keeper in his own forum, and he was dead right.

Linky by any chance? I'm thinking of getting ZooKeeper and I'd be interested in that POV. I didn't agree with the Outrun opinion, but the latest Lara Croft review was dead on.

[RageMatrix]

First person to link to an 'Objection' takes -D4 hitpoints and spend the next turn gripping their right shin in pain.

Had to.


Sorry.


<hangs head in shame>

[romanista]

He'll be sorely missed by me.

The below is all IMO, probably based more on other forums than YakYak (but here too nonetheless), and there are probably gross generalisations, and a fair bit of guesswork, but I've had more than a few beers and this is what I'm thinking.

The Rev wears his heart on his sleeve and speaks his mind. Good traits. He sets his stall out very plainly - he's generally brutally honest, and frequently distills his opinion into black and white. The world isn't B&W though. But he's trying to provoke a response, and this is a bloody good way to get one. I wouldn't do it myself, but then I can't be bothered with arguing on forums anymore anyway.

On top of that I think he tends to lay traps for people to blunder into - the odd phrase here and there that looks like it's susceptible to argument - it almost never is, in my experience. Again, I'm not condoning it.

Stu's forthright tone and outspoken manner, and possibly the traps I suspect he's laid, goad people (who are frequently looking to disagree with him, regardless of the issue) into rash responses.

The problem is The Rev is exceptionally good at having the facts straight (or at least being able to back up everything he originally said). And that really, REALLY pisses people off.

So they get involved in arguments, and they're frequently faced with the problem that they're wrong - often because they've just misunderstood what he'd actually said (which is why about 50% of his posts are along the lines of "Have you actually read what I fucking said?")

At this point they generally will not back down. It's an internet forum - people can't be seen to admit defeat or apologise (which is one of the reasons I post so infrequently on forums - it's usually not worth debating with people - if you happen to be right they'll dodge the issue, pick up on typos or technicalities - anything to avoid admitting that they've made a mistake, or even started to appreciate what you're getting at).

And so people tend to argue back regardless, and in doing so they give him a hell of a lot of ammunition to fight back with. And so he uses it. Angrily and well.

IMO it's frequently other people that are at fault for the shit-fights that ensue for rising to the bait (often out of spite rather than principle).

I don't pretend to agree with everything The Rev says, I'd question the motive behind some of his posts, and probably the tone of the vast majority of them, but he's passionate, committed, informed, interesting, entertaining and bloody good at swearing to boot.

As I said - I'll miss him.

Post of the week, deserves to be quoted entirely..

[Crystal_sword]

He'll Be Back, I just Know it

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PS Cannon Fodder 1 AND 2 were teh pwnage!!!

[betamax]

He's logged in right now. *points*

[Samus]

Really? I've had a few many page disagreements with him, but they've mostly been nice, constructive, helpful and to the point. I think the last time was regarding Zoo Keeper in his own forum, and he was dead right.

Linky by any chance? I'm thinking of getting ZooKeeper and I'd be interested in that POV. I didn't agree with the Outrun opinion, but the latest Lara Croft review was dead on.

I couldn't find it through the search, but imo, you don't need to think twice in getting Zoo Keeper if frantic action-spot-em-ups work for you. The stylus control is perfect and the game has real charm. 6 min Time Attack is one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences in my recent years.

One of the main points we talked about was the randomness and how it works in this game. I was wondering if there's a way to avoid "no more move" and other stiffy situations with planning and strategy and if there's always a reasonable amount of solutions in every grid - there wasn't - which makes it a bit too unconsistent for some players after a while. Keep in mind, it only really affects your enjoyment when you aim to, or are near, the top of the high score lists around the net. Some people don't mind / or pay attention to it at all, better find out for yourself.

[RageMatrix]

I couldn't find it through the search, but you really don't need to think twice in getting Zoo Keeper if frantic action-spot-em-ups work for you. The stylus control is perfect and the game has real charm. 6 min Time Attack is one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences in my recent years.

Righto then......thanks

[Zen-Chan]

6 min Time Attack is one of the most cripplingly addictive gaming experiences in recent years.

Fixed that for you

[Zoot]

Well, this is sad.

I will openly admit that I find a lot of Stu's opinions tripe, and have said so. I also have taken the piss out of him on occasion. I also know that when I was just a crappy demo coder in the Amiga days, Stu invited us down to Bath to the Amiga Power offices, and treated me like a fucking prince. He didn't have to, but he did, and I shall never regret it. Getting one of our games on the cover of Amiga Power was a real rocks-off moment, and that was entirely down to Stu.

For that reason, I think that Stu is actually a nice guy, but sometimes he does provoke to get a response. Whilst he doesn't want sympathy, I find it appalling that he is in the financial situation that he is, and hope fervently that he finds himself in a somewhat better poistion very soon.

I hate arguments (even - or especially - the ones that I cause). If Stu really isn't coming back, then that is sad, but I think that we as a forum should welcome him back if he does choose to do so at any time, and not vilify him. There have been others forgiven, and I don't think that we should chase anyone away.

Of course, we should still take the piss, because it's expected, innit?

PS - Stu, if you're reading, I still haven't forgotten thos tight leather trousers

[Elizian]

I didn't quite "call him a cunt", as he misleadingly suggests - what I said was

"I just don't get why you, from a somewhat more comfortable position, feel the need to be such a cunt about it."

In what world is that not calling someone a cunt?

This one The Rev said that Gravy acted like a cunt. Different from being a cunt.

I am not a stupid person. This does not stop me from acting stupidly from time to time ... like posting in this thread

The Rev is, first and foremost, a master of the English language. He uses this skill, primarily, as a debater *. Debaters do not have to be right or even believe that they are right. They simply have to be able to argue eloqunetly in favour of whatever is under discussion. The Rev is very good at it.
He also uses language as a weapon and he is very good at that, too. In personal interaction, it can be a weapon even more powerful than physical attack. Yes ... he is very good at that.

It's going to be quiet(er) round here without him ... and that's not a baaaad thing.

Elizian

*I was going to use the mass debater line but you cunts are all too busy playing with yourselves to understand shining wit like that

[arron]

[For my money the drive for attention and the inability to differentiate between the good and bad types is what has fucked The Rev out of a career.

His reaction to all of this Gridwars hoohah is a case in point. Given his closeness to the situation he Rev has an excellent perspective on a series of events that's likely to have a huge implication for hobby coders distributing free games. A well written article about the situation would be saleable. And if he couldn't sell it's another piece unpaid he can stick on http://www.worldofstewart.com. It's doing something positive.

Instead he chooses to host GridWars on his site and practically beg them to sue him. It's a game that MS's lawyers have issued a cease and desist letter to the original author regarding its distribution. How's that going to end then? I honestly believe he wants MS to kick off and won't be happy until strung up on a cross shouting "Look at me! Look at me!"

Well, If I acted one tenth like him in my professional career, I'd be fucked in a very short space of time indeed, so I'm surprised he's acted as long as he has, on what fading reputation he had around fifteen years ago. I'd like to think that there's some insightful knowledgable bloke under all this..spite, and it is some act. But quite frankly, I can't be bothered finding out or caring any longer having seen enough here and elsewhere - to see what he is and where he's going.

There's a whole raft of issues out there to do with the modern games industry - what happens to industry veterans, how large companies are squeezing out innovation through publishing deals..The whole issue of games companies taking on people for homebrew and console modding for legimate uses of their machines. You could write a number of excellent pieces on all of these things which deal with facts rather than ego. You don't read something like New Scientist with the impression that the guy writing the article is more important than that which they are talking about. It's gone from being about the issues to being the issue. And one that is not easily changed or resolved.

If he want to go, then let him. I'll not be sorry. The reason he is in the situation he is in is down to him. If I want to see what he's up to I'll visit his website. The reason that these "fuck this place/please come back" threads are as long as they are is down to very little other than ego anyway, and quite frankly if he hadn't had said anything and just fucked off..I doubt anyone would have noticed in the long term around here..