Official Nintendo Fanboy Smugness & Gloating Thread

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Marius wrote:How come the loosing part never admits defeat? Why can't they (in this case, Sony) just say "we did our best, but y'know, we got our ass seriously kicked...better luck next time I guess."
Well you could argue that a large percentage of the millions that have bought a PSP would have bought a DS had Nintendo still had the market to themselves.

So who really lost? :wink:
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fog wrote:
Marius wrote:How come the loosing part never admits defeat? Why can't they (in this case, Sony) just say "we did our best, but y'know, we got our ass seriously kicked...better luck next time I guess."
Well you could argue that a large percentage of the millions that have bought a PSP would have bought a DS had Nintendo still had the market to themselves.

So who really lost? :wink:
No-one except if Im being bitchy/pedantic then Sony is in the handheld market as everyone thought they would destroy the DS and for some reason (games me thinks) they arent - in fact the reverse is happening :)

See thread heading for this in yer face fanboyism :)
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Deckard wrote:Nintendo for God knows how many years are still Top Dog in the handheld market and frankly I take great pleasure in that :)
By all means, take pleasure. :)

I suppose the lesson is that things can change quickly, something I'm sure Nintendo are very much aware of...
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Anders wrote:
Deckard wrote:Nintendo for God knows how many years are still Top Dog in the handheld market and frankly I take great pleasure in that :)
By all means, take pleasure. :)

I suppose the lesson is that things can change quickly, something I'm sure Nintendo are very much aware of...
And Sony (que Jaws music) especially when you are coughing up hundreds of millions in battery recalls (This gives me no joy whatsoever)
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Hajile wrote:

I think a lot of people, Nintendo included, are making the mistake of thinking that the handheld market works in exactly the same way as the home console market, so if the stylus control/less impressive graphics of the DS worked, then the same must happen with the Wii's new fangled controller and unimpressive graphics.

People seem far readier to accept graphical shortcomings in handhelds than in home consoles. Maybe there's some subconscious percieved link between snazzy graphics in handhelds and low battery life.

Nintendo are calling this the 'touch' generation, there hasnt been one before, so lets wait and see if people "Nintendo included" are making a mistake.
Personally I dont think theres anything wrong with taking the gamble and bringing to the big screen what the DS has achieved, and more.
And people arnt just accepting the DS graphical shortcomings because its a hand held, and with battery life, they accept them because there are some bloody great fun games, and interaction thanks to the stylus, Nintendogs sold shed loads of DS's over xmas to new gamers.
If Nintendo took your view then they would just start cloning the Playstation market. yawn.
I never quite understand why market dominence is so important to anyone but fanboys, if Nintendo make money and make people happy then thats a winner.
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Marius wrote:How come the loosing part never admits defeat? Why can't they (in this case, Sony) just say "we did our best, but y'know, we got our ass seriously kicked...better luck next time I guess."
PumaG wrote:I never quite understand why market dominence is so important to anyone but fanboys, if Nintendo make money and make people happy then thats a winner.
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PumaG wrote:If Nintendo took your view then they would just start cloning the Playstation market. yawn.
What did GC offer that the others didn't? Nothing.

They'd love to. They can't afford it. Hence they *have* to try something different.
PumaG wrote:I never quite understand why market dominence is so important to anyone but fanboys
I'd say its not even remotely important to 'fanboys'. They're going to claim their system is the best one no matter what happens ;)

But you bet your ass it's important to Nintendo, Games Developers, Games Publishers, Games Retailers... like, all the people that actually matter. Without support, you're as good as dead.
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fog wrote:
Marius wrote:How come the loosing part never admits defeat? Why can't they (in this case, Sony) just say "we did our best, but y'know, we got our ass seriously kicked...better luck next time I guess."
Well you could argue that a large percentage of the millions that have bought a PSP would have bought a DS had Nintendo still had the market to themselves.

So who really lost? :wink:
Sony - as their target demographic is being pwned by Nintendo along with a few others, while any first timers to handheld consoles that plumped for the PSP are expanding the market - which is what Nintendo want to happen anyway. Not that your question bears any merit - Sony themselves have insisted that they are not in some head-to-head battle here so by their own admission they cannot win.

So whether you are naive enough to look at it in terms of pure profit (where N's some is beating S's none at all) or long term strategic ambitions, or units sold, or number of decent games, or originality, or portability, there's only one eladerr, if we ignore sony for a moment and pretend there really is just one handheld consoles market.

Arguably, a large percentage of those who bought a GBA Micro or SP in the last 17 months might otherwise have bought a PSP ;)
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Snakey wrote: What did GC offer that the others didn't?
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Snakey wrote:But you bet your ass it's important to Nintendo, Games Developers, Games Publishers... like, all the people that actually matter. Without support, you're as good as dead.
Yeah. If you can't maintain the mindshare you lose dev and publisher support and spiral down (e.g. Gamecube) or never build enough momentum to get the support in the first place (e.g. Dreamcast).
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Snakey wrote:But you bet your ass it's important to Nintendo, Games Developers, Games Publishers... like, all the people that actually matter. Without support, you're as good as dead.
And that means the gamers who own the most popular console have much more choice and usually the best games. Thats why the Ps2 is the best console around at the moment.
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Snakey wrote:Argghh. Can't... Stay... Out...
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Its not a simple relationship allways though, theres the "big fish small pond" effect, where some great games in a market of less choice can do better.
That said, the gamecube actualy did pretty darn well as far as third party release's went compared to the N64 which had, like, 1 game a month.

Personaly, while I am always sad when a great game dosnt come out on a format I own, I am not too bothered. There is/was easily enough fantastic cube games to last me its lifetime. As long as Nintendo makes enough money too keep produceing Zeldas, and too cover Jungle-Beat-eqs expirements, Im happy.
But then, I always complete games, and I make sure too only buy a game when I am sure I will want too complete it ;)

I dont care was place Nintendo comes, as long as they make the profit needed to make games I love.
That said, Sony should die a horrible painfull, blu-ray drm infested death ;)

(I'm a Sony-hater first, Nintendo fan distant second)
The Nintendo loyalists would insist that just because you're not number 1, it doesn't mean that you've failed...
Depends what you mean by failed.
Failure isnt a thing unto itself though, theres many types of failure, some of which could be applied to Nintendo, others not.

The fact is, Nintendo rarely, if ever, fails at the "makeing money from saleing great games" part, which really has let them survive and be a healthy company, even when in 3rd place.
(allthough the difference in worldwide cube/xbox isnt much when you factor in the xboxs lack of the japanease market....theres more room in the market then most give credit for)

Of course, there is a critical threshold below which the userbase would start eating away at Nintendos core sales. (Mario,Zelda, SmashBros, ect).

But Nintendo seem pretty "safe" in the long run.



And if Nintendo says they are getting new audience with the DS, and Sony says THEY are getting a new audience with the PSP, I am more inclined to believe Nintendo for some reason ;)
Has Sony got any figures too back up their claims? Nintendo had good stats for the DS non-gamer takeup rate.

What did GC offer that the others didn't? Nothing
Nintendo games.
Sony themselves have insisted that they are not in some head-to-head battle here so by their own admission they cannot win.
Yes, I am always remembering the Sony line:

"It is unfair to compare the PSP with the DS....unfair on them....we are in different markets"

Of course, Nintendo was also insisting that they were in a different market....but Nintendo was scared rather then arrogant.
All that third-pilllar backup plan ;)

Sony is clearing doing ok with the PSP dispite the ds, and its fine for them too point that out, but they arnt kidding anyone with this stuff.
And people arnt just accepting the DS graphical shortcomings because its a hand held, and with battery life, they accept them because there are some bloody great fun games,
Exactly.
Its all about the games.
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Hajile wrote:I think a lot of people, Nintendo included, are making the mistake of thinking that the handheld market works in exactly the same way as the home console market, so if the stylus control/less impressive graphics of the DS worked, then the same must happen with the Wii's new fangled controller and unimpressive graphics.

People seem far readier to accept graphical shortcomings in handhelds than in home consoles. Maybe there's some subconscious percieved link between snazzy graphics in handhelds and low battery life.
But: Sony seem to take pretty much exactly the same attitude, but the other way round - assuming that what works on the PS2 will work on the PSP by default.

And: Like PumaG was saying, no-one really knows how the Wii's strategy is going to work out. I never would have expected the DS to take every slot on Japan's top 10 games chart, but it happens.

So: Let's wait and watch, and see how it's doing once it's had a year or two to establish itself.
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Yup.
Its completely an unknown really.

We live in interesting times.
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