Official Nintendo Fanboy Smugness & Gloating Thread

Hajile · Post by **Hajile** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:34 am 0

Perkunas wrote:
Darkflame wrote:Also, Sony claiming they are attracting a new audience with their PSP and Nintendo are losing core gamers with the DS seems to reak of a company getting desperate:
http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=9590
Sheer arrogance as usual.

Any more arrogant than Nintendo's attitude, where they speak of their competitors, Sony included, as little minnows whose attempts to defeat the Wii are cute and to be looked on in amusement and condescention? I think not.

The 'this battle is already won' nonsense from Nintendo is just taking the piss. The best they can expect is that they won't get hammered as much this time.

Post by **Snakey** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:16 am 0

That was actually a pretty good post there, Darkflame. To people like you, and countless others, it doesn't actually matter at all.

What I was talking about, though, is the Nintendo plan to get people who wouldn't normally buy a console to buy the Wii. I think for that to work, the thing has to be much cheaper. That's what they were promising - it'd be really cheap. It isn't. A lot of people are no longer interested because of that.

I do have to comment on this bit though:

And if Nintendo says they are getting new audience with the DS, and Sony says THEY are getting a new audience with the PSP, I am more inclined to believe Nintendo for some reason

NES total sales: 61.78 mil (Nintendo's best selling home console to date)
PS1 total sales: 101.73 mil

I don't think anybody could really argue that Sony have been the most successful company ever when it comes to selling to "a new audience". Consoles were not mainstream until Sony stepped in.

Nixie · Post by **Nixie** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:24 am 0

Snakey wrote:That was actually a pretty good post there, Darkflame. To people like you, and countless others, it doesn't actually matter at all.

What I was talking about, though, is the Nintendo plan to get people who wouldn't normally buy a console to buy the Wii. I think for that to work, the thing has to be much cheaper. That's what they were promising - it'd be really cheap. It isn't. A lot of people are no longer interested because of that.

I do have to comment on this bit though:

And if Nintendo says they are getting new audience with the DS, and Sony says THEY are getting a new audience with the PSP, I am more inclined to believe Nintendo for some reason
NES total sales: 61.78 mil (Nintendo's best selling home console to date)
PS1 total sales: 101.73 mil

I don't think anybody could really argue that Sony have been the most successful company ever when it comes to selling to "a new audience". Consoles were not mainstream until Sony stepped in.

you have to be fair here and factor in the fact that there are tv's in practically every kids bedroom nowadays. things have moved on quite a bit. I dont think that the ps1 opened new audiences any more than the Nes did. Its the same demographic that bought both. The concept of home consoles as most people know them was driven heavily by the nes.

Post by **Snakey** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:43 am 0

While there is probably some truth to that, I don't think that the number of TVs in kids bedrooms suddenly exploded the day the PS1 was released, and the SNES sold a lot less than the NES did.

GeeZa · Post by **GeeZa** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:45 am 0

Snakey wrote:What I was talking about, though, is the Nintendo plan to get people who wouldn't normally buy a console to buy the Wii. I think for that to work, the thing has to be much cheaper. That's what they were promising - it'd be really cheap. It isn't. A lot of people are no longer interested because of that.

Gotta agree and that's why I aired some disappointment once the details became known. We all have a fairly good idea what the parts inside the Wii are actually worth and I think Nintendo are profiteering for Thanksgiving and Christmas. However, the real question is whether they start to slash the price once this whole launch hype has bedded down. I can see them making the Wii *very* affordable relatively soon and I'd be surprised if they weren't much more flexible on price than either MS or Sony if the going gets hot.

Snakey wrote:
And if Nintendo says they are getting new audience with the DS, and Sony says THEY are getting a new audience with the PSP, I am more inclined to believe Nintendo for some reason
NES total sales: 61.78 mil (Nintendo's best selling home console to date)
PS1 total sales: 101.73 mil

I don't think anybody could really argue that Sony have been the most successful company ever when it comes to selling to "a new audience". Consoles were not mainstream until Sony stepped in.

Agreed, but that's not the point Darkflame was making, he was talking about the PSP and DS and new audiences. The PSP *is* strictly a Playstation gamer device and is pretty much marketed as such. I can't imagine many people bought a PSP who were not already into gaming. The DS, it's conceivable, but maybe over-egged a bit. My wife likes the look of the new pink ones and has played Nintendogs and Trauma Center and she's not really a gamer and I suspect it may well have drawn in a new crowd, but perhaps not in big numbers.

Still can't help but make the general point that I feel I'm being fleeced if I wanna enjoy one of these new machines. I didn't really feel that last time round to the same extent. I *really* wanna play Zelda on launch day and play pissed-up tennis with the wife but it's gonna cost about $350 which is a bit fucking steep.

namor7 · Post by **namor7** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:40 am 0

I just watched the 9/14 NYC presentation, and here are my conclusions:

1) Reggie needs to retire from public speaking.

2) Wii Sports is gonna be huge.

3) The Mii system may very well be the 'next big thing'. It could be revolutionary.

The more I think about it, the more $250 actually makes sense as the launch price. It's very similar to the way Nintendo handled DS, which I thought was way overpriced at the beginning, too.

Kamineko · Post by **Kamineko** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:42 am 0

What's Mii?

namor7 · Post by **namor7** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:47 am 0

Watch this, it comes at about the halfway point:

http://media.wii.ign.com/articles/733/7 ... ids_1.html

namor7 · Post by **namor7** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:16 am 0

Totally unrelated, just had to post this.

This is a pictrure of Toshihiro Nagoshi, creator of Monkey Ball & director of MB for Wii:

Doesn't quite look the part does he? Looks like a character from a Castlevania game or something

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:15 am 0

Darkflame wrote:
The Nintendo loyalists would insist that just because you're not number 1, it doesn't mean that you've failed...
Depends what you mean by failed.

Failure isnt a thing unto itself though, theres many types of failure, some of which could be applied to Nintendo, others not.

Well, yes. That's why I wrote "Exactly how would "defeat" be defined, then?" like one sentence above that quote.

Darkflame wrote: And if Nintendo says they are getting new audience with the DS, and Sony says THEY are getting a new audience with the PSP, I am more inclined to believe Nintendo for some reason

Has Sony got any figures too back up their claims? Nintendo had good stats for the DS non-gamer takeup rate.

Ah, but have you got any figures to back up your doubts against Sony?

I think MS, Sony and Nintendo are quite equal when it comes to deceiving the public, but Nintendo has the curious advantage of a vocal fanbase with selective memory and a tendency to believe they always tell the truth.

Marius · Post by **Marius** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:41 am 0

Snakey wrote:That was actually a pretty good post there, Darkflame. To people like you, and countless others, it doesn't actually matter at all.

What I was talking about, though, is the Nintendo plan to get people who wouldn't normally buy a console to buy the Wii. I think for that to work, the thing has to be much cheaper. That's what they were promising - it'd be really cheap. It isn't. A lot of people are no longer interested because of that.

I do have to comment on this bit though:

And if Nintendo says they are getting new audience with the DS, and Sony says THEY are getting a new audience with the PSP, I am more inclined to believe Nintendo for some reason
NES total sales: 61.78 mil (Nintendo's best selling home console to date)
PS1 total sales: 101.73 mil

I don't think anybody could really argue that Sony have been the most successful company ever when it comes to selling to "a new audience". Consoles were not mainstream until Sony stepped in.

I still don't think those numbers are very representative for actual consoles in use, since both the PS1 and PS2, with their CD/DVD/laser technology(and modding) are much more inclined to breaking down, thus needing replacing...something I've never experienced with either NES, SNES, N64 or GC, even with the latter using laser technology.

And I'm speaking from a personal point of view, as someone who owns or have owned every console imaginable. I love Nintendo, but I have just as many games for the PS2 as I have for the 'cube.

In this business, isn't it the number of first party games sold that is the biggest source of income for the respective companies?

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:06 am 0

Snakey wrote:What I was talking about, though, is the Nintendo plan to get people who wouldn't normally buy a console to buy the Wii. I think for that to work, the thing has to be much cheaper. That's what they were promising - it'd be really cheap. It isn't. A lot of people are no longer interested because of that.

Ok, first things first:

5/22/2006

BIZ: I know that Nintendo has not officially announced a price for the Wii, but a rumor we spotted this week in EGM suggests a $249 price tag. Do you want to comment on that?

Satoru Iwata: [Laughs] As you know, that is speculation and we did not comment on the price point at all. What we've been repeatedly saying is that it's going to be an affordable price point, and when we say affordable, you may want to check our past records of price points, launching price points for any past hardware... I think you'll agree that we always come up with an affordable price point. So when we announce the Wii price point in the near future, I believe you are going to say, "That's an affordable price point."

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/featu ... 12748&rp=1

January 18, 2006

Since you mentioned pricing, I assume the Revolution will be accessible to gamers for substantially less than $700?

Fils-Aime: That's correct. The next-generation console from Nintendo, code-named Revolution, will cost less than $300.

http://news.com.com/Nintendos+New+Years ... tag=st.num

That there is what really happened, the rest was hype as usual. If you look back at the thread, it was mainly Snakey around here who started the talk about unusually low Wii price points. The official line, however, remained the same.

Now, another matter, whether 250$ is a suitable price for the new people Nintendo are trying to appeal to, remains to be seen. For gamers who like what Nintendo usually do with games, and more recently interfaces, it's a no brainer. Fwiw, I think they'll succeed in both fronts, business and games. I'll make another prediction, WiiTennis will pretty much change how non-gaming people see and feel about videogames, when / if it gets to that point, 250$ doesn't mean jack shit.

Jamesac · Post by **Jamesac** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:13 am 0

Speaking as someone working retail, whose job it is to figure out what people want and hopefully get them to buy it-

Where I work, in the US where the Wii is more reasonably priced, people are excited. Yes, I get just as many requests for the PS3 if not more, but $600 is way too much for too many people, and the supply will be next to nonexistent, so I'm fully expecting the Wii to kick PS3's ass due to availability alone. Wii's real competition for its first six months is the 360, but I expect it to do fine. Nothing is competing with the $300 360, it's a $250 vs. $400 war when just looking at price. At least where I work.

I also expect the launch-mania to make all 4,000,000 systems worldwide sell out at a decent speed. Not year-end maybe, but fast enough. The real numbers question is for how it does February through the end of August, and I have no predictions for that. If Nintendo can keep the game supply flowing, then I expect them to do fine. If they can figure out how to move third-party software on a Nintendo system, I expect they'll do even better.

I also know I'm getting one at launch and can't wait.

James

phattslagg · Post by **phattslagg** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:17 am 0

Â£180 for console + game is just inside the boundaries of OK for me.

Retailers are bound to offer their own enticements beyond this package anyway - Gamestation normally do something along the lines of +Â£10 for any game on all their consoles.

I know it sounds strange, but I'm quite glad Nintendo are forcing me to buy Wii Sports, since it's one of those games I'd likely never get around to purchasing, but wish I had it anyway.

Deckard · Post by **Deckard** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:47 am 0

If we define failure by the most base and real terms - profit, then I believe the figures head Nintendos way again

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5209346.stm

http://news.com.com/Restructuring+costs ... 49500.html

Plus of course Sony are still trying to claw back their traditional territory in Plasmas/LCDS/Walkmans which all went tits up for various reasons (dont mention Ipod/Atrac or custom/shit software)