Official Nintendo Fanboy Smugness & Gloating Thread

oddbob0 · Post by **oddbob0** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:50 pm 0

Bubba wrote:

Cheers

Bubba

Rod_S · Post by **Rod_S** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:20 pm 0

I bet Snakey's really looking forward to replying to that post!

Post by **Snakey** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:20 pm 0

Samus wrote:So, no, they weren't promising anything like that at all.

Well, you must be the only person in the world who wasn't getting the message that it was going to be cheap. And why shouldn't it be. It's a gamecube.

Samus wrote:Now, I'm not English, but I do think that I'm right here?

No. The part you bolded talks about an affordable price point. Now, what does 'affordable' mean? Well lets see... Iwata told us what it means in the previous sentence. "When we say affordable..." - by removing that part it's you who's taking it out of context...

Do you see now?

Anyway, I've had enough of this, I was trying not to shit on this thread, just wanted to say I think they made a mistake with the pricing. So, really, that's enough of that now.

Back to all the preorder talk eh?

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:31 pm 0

Well, I saw what you mean from the beginning, that's why I said that you either understand that quote differently or that you're being very selective with your quoting.

Looking at it again, I still think that all he's saying here is that "yeah, to get some idea of the price point and what I mean by affordable, have a look at all our previous price points, we're going to be affordable again."

If I'm mistaken, no problems. That quote (the way I've understood it) is anyways perfectly in line with everything else they've said about the price, and, how it finally turned out to be.

Edit:

Oh, and I've personally always thought that Wii is going to be cheap (but not unusually cheap), just like every other games console I've ever owned.

Edit2:

Anyway, I've had enough of this, I was trying not to shit on this thread, just wanted to say I think they made a mistake with the pricing.

Which is a very different thing than what this mess is all about.

Deckard · Post by **Deckard** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:34 pm 0

Whos pre-ordered their PS3 then ? (Hears a low wind and some tumbleweed drifts across the vista)

And what will the deposit be ? Some kidneys or a rolex ?

Post by **Snakey** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:46 pm 0

Deckard wrote:And what will the deposit be ?

Your first born child.

PurpleChair · Post by **PurpleChair** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:50 pm 0

The Wii's more expensive than I expected, but then I wasn't expecting it to come with a game.

Have I already said this?

Well, it wasn't a very interesting observation anyway.

B00bs.

Hajile · Post by **Hajile** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:06 pm 0

goatboy wrote:The wise man is better off saying bollocks to the whole process.

I agree. Anyone who buys any console at launch is a chump with more money than sense. Everyone knows it's going to drop in price in a matter of months, but some still feel the need to grab it while it's more expensive, there are fewer games available, and you have no security of a machine with a long shelf life. The last thing I bought at launch was a PS1, and that was because of the sheer 'Holy Shit!'ness of seeing Wipeout for the first time, after the last racing game I played was Speed Racer on SNES.

To be honest, I only really tend to buy consoles after they've been going for a while, if they're not already dead. At least then you know what's available for your gameage. I'm not desperate for the new tech anymore, since the leap forward each generation has become less significant. That 'Holy Shit!' increasingly gives way to 'Oh.'

Deckard wrote:Whos pre-ordered their PS3 then ? (Hears a low wind and some tumbleweed drifts across the vista)

And what will the deposit be ? Some kidneys or a rolex ?

The PS3 won't be coming out until March in Europe. For us Europeans it would be like laying down a preorder for a Wii in June or July, and that's just crazy talk.

Samus wrote: Ok then, let's have a look at the full quote once again:

Satoru Iwata:

[Laughs] As you know, that is speculation and we did not comment on the price point at all. What we've been repeatedly saying is that it's going to be an affordable price point, and when we say affordable, you may want to check our past records of price points, launching price points for any past hardware... I think you'll agree that we always come up with an affordable price point. So when we announce the Wii price point in the near future, I believe you are going to say, "That's an affordable price point."
I bolded the important part.

Now look at the full quote and place it into context.

Does it say that we're gonna launch Wii at an affordable price compared to all our past records of price points (the previous consoles)?

OR

Does it say that we've always launched our consoles at an affordable price point and we're going to do it again with Wii?

So, let me get this straight, you began haranguing Snakey on that? On if what he meant was intended to include reference to a previous comment or was not?

Christ. And people call me pedantic...

To answer your question, it says both. And neither. Depending on what you intend to include or omit in order to become right through strategic editing.

I'd more interested to know why no-one seems to be commenting on the fact that this Satoru fella is laughing at us and our gullibility! "Oh, yes, we heard all about these low prices and made no effort to refute them, hee hee. We never came out and said that is was that cheap, we only said it would be affordable, hee hee. We built our hype on the back of an outright lie, but it wasn't a lie because we never said it, we just let people go on thinking it until it was of no benefit to us anymore, hee hee. But we're not arrogant, we're Nintendo, the gamer's friend, hee hee." And people fall for it.

What a prick.

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:14 pm 0

Hajile wrote:So, let me get this straight, you began haranguing Snakey on that? On if what he meant was intended to include reference to a previous comment or was not?

I originally stepped in because he said that Nintendo had led everyone to believe that Wii would be unusually cheap, something very different from what they've been saying since, at least, January 2006.

Hajile wrote:[Christ. And people call me pedantic...

Well, I'm not usually the kind of guy who let's people off the hook that easy (when I think I have a point).

Edit: more stuff

Deckard · Post by **Deckard** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:19 pm 0

Crazy talk - http://www.amazon.co.uk/PlayStation-3-P ... e=16423381

I love their current bestsellers on the right

disciple · Post by **disciple** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:48 pm 0

Snakey wrote:
and when we say affordable, you may want to check our past records of price points, launching price points for any past hardware...
...Yes, lets. Gamecube? 130 pounds. Four years ago. This thing is a "GameCube+". It's the same hardware clocked 1.5x higher. Four years later, that hardware should cost MUCH less than 130 pounds. Telling us to "check past records of launching price points" strongly hints that this thing would cost the same, if not less, than the Gamecube did.

Except Wii's not just GC hardware clocked 1.5 times higher though is it. There's a bit more to it than that.

Hajile · Post by **Hajile** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:50 pm 0

Deckard wrote:Crazy talk - http://www.amazon.co.uk/PlayStation-3-P ... e=16423381

I love their current bestsellers on the right

Yes, like I said, crazy talk. It's quite far off still, so there aren't many takers. Come January, when Sony's behemoth marketing machine decides to take no prisoners, interest and preorders will undoubtedly rise.

I won't be one of them, though. See previous post for opinion on buying at launch.

Samus wrote:
Hajile wrote:Christ. And people call me pedantic...
Well, I'm not usually the kind of guy who let's people off the hook that easy (when I think I have a point).

Wasn't like you were disagreeing on anything huge, though. Just on interpretation of someone else's words, and that's always frought with danger until you know how the other person interprets it. This is how Holy Wars start, you know.

Admit it, you're burning effigies of the heretic Snakey right now. Aren't you? AREN'T YOU ?!?

Post by **Snakey** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:53 pm 0

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/24/rumor ... -children/

Samus wrote:I originally stepped in because he said that Nintendo had led everyone to believe that Wii would be unusually cheap, something very different from what they've been saying since, at least, January 2006.

And as was pointed out to you many times - thats exactly what they were saying behind closed doors. Specifically, to back up their statement that they were aiming at non-gamers.

But what's this "unusually cheap" crap? 130 pounds isn't "unusual". They did that with the GameCube.

Kemper_Boyd · Post by **Kemper_Boyd** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:56 pm 0

disciple wrote:Except Wii's not just GC hardware clocked 1.5 times higher though is it. There's a bit more to it than that.

Yes it's also undergone massive cost reduction if you believe the 'specs'.
On paper it should be a lot cheaper.

Roobarb · Post by **Roobarb** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:02 pm 0

Kemper_Boyd wrote:
disciple wrote:Except Wii's not just GC hardware clocked 1.5 times higher though is it. There's a bit more to it than that.
Yes it's also undergone massive cost reduction if you believe the 'specs'.
On paper it should be a lot cheaper.

Holographic projectors don't come cheap you know