Official Nintendo Fanboy Smugness & Gloating Thread

[GeeZa]

Jesus fucking wept.

I now know why.

[TFO]

I had previously stopped reading this thread about 20 pages ago pretty much - and the same argument is still going!

[Samus]

If the specs are correct I'd be surprised if even with the new controller and so on that the Wii was costing Nintendo more to produce than the Cube did. They say they will make a profit on the hardware from day one, so it does seem entirely plausible to me that the Wii could have been a lot cheaper than it now is, and that's certainly what people in the know
were either saying or hinting at.

This has been pretty much common knowledge in the public too, but some of us we're just not waiting for it to be extremely or unusually cheap when it comes to market. That's realism. And probably a good business strategy as well, but that remains to be seen.

[Marius]

So what if the 360 will cost the same as the Wii? You still get far less value for money, since it's the core package. With the Wii you at least get Wii Sports and a far more interesting and fun frontend.

I am an old-school gamer, so a technically superior machine does absolutely nothing for me unless all that power is used creatively.

[disciple]

So that's it is it? The Nintendo fan has adjusted their world-view and there
was never any reason to expect a cheap Wii? I can't remember who it
was but they got slated for naming £179, a few weeks ago no-one else
believed that, now it's almost as though only a fool expected anything
cheaper.

The person who was slated for saying it would be £179 before the official announcement was, in fact, me.

I had no reason to think that it would be more expensive than the £150 that it was widely accepted to be, and was a dick for suggesting it, apparently.

Honestly man, take the blinkers off..

NOBODY slated you for guessing 179.99, you were slated for comparing the price of a Wii with 4 full controller sets to the price of a CORE 360! And then using that such a ridiculous comparison to show how expensive the Wii is!

See here..
http://www.yakyak.org/viewtopic.php?p=975803#975803

This was before blinkered Nintendovision had reset the fanboy's default, always-was price of the Wii to £179, of course. And whaddaya know, now suddenly people have no reason to have ever thought it would be £150, and were dicks if they thought that.

People adjusting their world view? Yeah right!

[Anders]

This thread is making me cry now.

[RageMatrix]

If a difference of thirty quid or so is actually going to make you people not buy a Wii then I'd hazard that you were not all that keen on getting one in the first place.

£179 seems fine to me and I'll be getting one - though probably not before Christmas - got a new PC to buy first.

[Marius]

But knock off $50 for the controller as the core already comes with one.

add $50 back on, its not wireless, the wired controller can go straight in the bin

The wired controller is used to play emu's on the PC

And £179, including Wii Sports, is perfectly acceptable.

[Kemper_Boyd]

If a difference of thirty quid or so is actually going to make you people not buy a Wii then I'd hazard that you were not all that keen on getting one in the first place.

You are misrepresenting what a lot of people thought. The assumption
for many was that the Wii would make a cheap second console. That's
gone, and it doesn't seem to me that Nintendo had to go that route.
For a lot of people it's back to pick the one you want not get a 360 or
PS3, and a Wii.

[Jamesac]

What I don't get is why it's Europe that's being shafted. In the US, the difference is $150. The $300 360 isn't a real option, so I'm ignoring it entirely just like everyone else in the market for a next-gen console.

James

[Rod_S]

If a difference of thirty quid or so is actually going to make you people not buy a Wii then I'd hazard that you were not all that keen on getting one in the first place.

You are misrepresenting what a lot of people thought. The assumption
for many was that the Wii would make a cheap second console. That's
gone, and it doesn't seem to me that Nintendo had to go that route.
For a lot of people it's back to pick the one you want not get a 360 or
PS3, and a Wii.

I watched a deathly boring interview with a Japanese financial analyst last night, even he was saying that the Wii price point was a lot higher than the industry and punters were expecting, and beyond impulse buy territory. I swear Nintendo fans are part of a cult/religion, they see what they want and to hell with the facts.

In other console wars news, the 360 is selling less than 1,000 units per week in Japan now. Never underestimate the power of Playstation, y'all,

[namor7]

Seriously, guys, this thread is getting to be an absolute bore.

Once and for all...

Wii is more expensive than most thought it'd be, and Nintendo's making a nice penny on it from day one. That may or may not end up working to the company's advantage.

What more is there to say?

Let's get on with the Nintendo news:

Get a much nicer version of the new Wii 5 minute promo vid here:

http://media.wii.ign.com/articles/735/7 ... ids_1.html

[teamonkey]

Ooooh. Heroes looks nice.

http://www.nwiizone.com/nintendo-wii/nw ... rst-video/

[namor7]

Ooooh. Heroes looks nice.

http://www.nwiizone.com/nintendo-wii/nw ... rst-video/

Looks amazing, let's just hope that voice acting gets the boot!

Suda51 rules

[xav]

Okay, so the chips in the Wii are not much more than an overclocked Gamecube, BUT:

The drive mechanism is significantly different - a slot loader which takes two sizes of disk can't be as cheap an option as the simple top loader in the GC.

The controller is significantly different. It's not just some buttons, an A-to-D converter and a UART. There's a camera, MEMs gyroscopes and a speaker.

The nunchuck is closer to the technology of an old joypad, but even that has some MEMs gyroscopes in it.


All of which means that the hardware costs are not going to be as low as a simple "overclocked Gamecube" statement implies. Yes Nintendo are gouging on the hardware - that's why they've included Wii Sports to sweeten the deal. But it also puts them in a better position to drop the price when distribution has ramped up to full speed.

Of course none of this considers the development costs that they will want to recoup. Even just the time to write the basic "channels" that come with the box; the "photo channel" alone is significantly more complex than the limited UI built into the Gamecube's firmware. That's before you consider the Mii Channel, the Weather Channel and the emulation of older systems.

Nintendo don't have other business units bringing in money to help subsidise the cost as a loss leader, so I'm not surprised that they're trying to recoup a little more now at the expense of slight gouging of early adopters. At least they're bundling a game to make the reaming of your nether parts feel a little less uncomfortable.

Yes, I would have liked a cheaper system. The price has meant that I'm not going to bother pre-ordering and will just see what fate has in store for me come launch day. But until we've had the first price drop I don't think you can really say too much about Nintendo's long-term pricing strategy for the Wii - at the moment they've got a rare product, and are pricing accordingly. It's basic economics, surely.