Official Nintendo Fanboy Smugness & Gloating Thread

namor7 · Post by **namor7** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:28 am 0

supermonkeyworld wrote:I can't see support for Mii characters being a long-term thing.

I say you're wrong.

The more I think about it, the Mii system might totally revolutionize things. It's gonna be cool

Marius · Post by **Marius** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:23 am 0

Goody, a stationary DS

disciple · Post by **disciple** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:53 am 0

Snakey wrote:
Anders wrote:
teamonkey wrote:Miyamoto: "It's a GameCube+"
This is news?
Nope. But when I said it, I was wrong, apparently

I think you've got your wires crossed a bit there, noone actually ever disagreed on the gamecube+ part.

http://www.yakyak.org/viewtopic.php?t=5 ... start=2597

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:09 am 0

Yep.

And really, it's mainly when people say that "it's a GameCube" that raises a few eyebrows. It's not a big deal, but still, makes me wonder..

Btw. just to put this in perspective, here's another translation of what Miyamoto says:

"The machine is based on GC," said Miyamoto. "We'll be upgrading the development tools, but GameCube code can be used for the most part as is. In that sense, I believe that it would be good to remake GameCube games for Wii, and that some titles would become better with the change to the Wii remote controller."

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=13576

Vs. the one on previous page:

The hardware is basically a GC. We've upgraded our development tools to new versions but, you can still use GC programs as they are. With that in mind, I thought we could remake GC titles for the Wii and modify them to work with the Wii remote so that they're more fun to play.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/shiggy/miy ... 205086.php

Make a noise about it if you want

Post by **Snakey** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:21 am 0

disciple wrote:I think you've got your wires crossed a bit there, noone actually ever disagreed on the gamecube+ part.

Well if you want to be selective. I'm not getting into all that again because it's boring

But yeah, basically, the thing should be cheaper to produce than the GC, because it's just a GC clocked slightly higher, with a couple of extras bolted on, 4 years later. So yes, if you could overclock your gamecube, basically, you HAVE got a Wii. No, it really doesn't justify a higher price than the GC did at launch. Etc.etc.etc.

Samus wrote:Make a noise about it if you want

I tend to believe the second quote is the more accurate one. Because - well - it's more bloody accurate. It isn't "based" on GC. It IS a GC. With a higher clock rate. And a couple of extras.

People seem to be getting far too hooked up on that. You don't hear me saying that's a bad thing. FWIW Nintendo were originally designing the Wii controller as a GC add-on. That would have been a disaster - no developer/publisher was going to start supporting GC again just for a new controller. Nobody would have bought it. Releasing a slightly updated machine was absolutely the right thing to do.

The only thing I think they got wrong is the price.

Roobarb · Post by **Roobarb** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:29 am 0

Snakey wrote:The only thing I think they got wrong is the price.

Here here. It's a damn fine machine i'm really looking forward to playing, once some of the killer games start coming out. But the current price is taking the piss imo, unless you live in Japan. Even Matt Casamassina agrees on this http://blogs.ign.com/Matt-IGN/2006/10/02/32421/.

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:30 am 0

I can't believe you brought Matt to this discussion, read the article, and weep. This guy is so out of touch regarding....well, almost everything that's got anything to do with games.

As a gamer, I want Wii to sell for $200 for a number of reasons. It has about one tenth the processing prowess and one fifth the RAM of, say Xbox 360, and it also lacks a true hard drive. It doesn't play DVDs. It doesn't play music CDs. Yes, you read that correctly and yes, it's true. In fact, in many ways, it could be called a turbo-charged GameCube. So why the $249 price point?

Also:

http://invisionfree.com/forums/worldofs ... topic=4196

..because we're really putting gameplay first again and graphics second. For titles like these, gameplay is the primary qualifier, and that's really refreshing..

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:37 am 0

Snakey wrote:The only thing I think they got wrong is the price.

Regarding their aims, remains to be seen.

Personally, I'd like to know why the price is too high for you, as a gamer?

Roobarb · Post by **Roobarb** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:42 am 0

Samus wrote:I can't believe you brought Matt to this discussion, read the article, and weep. This guy is so out of touch regarding....well, almost everything that's got anything to do with games.

As a gamer, I want Wii to sell for $200 for a number of reasons. It has about one tenth the processing prowess and one fifth the RAM of, say Xbox 360, and it also lacks a true hard drive. It doesn't play DVDs. It doesn't play music CDs. Yes, you read that correctly and yes, it's true. In fact, in many ways, it could be called a turbo-charged GameCube. So why the $249 price point?

Well all he's saying is DVD and CD playback would add to the perceived value, and it probably would if we're talking bedroom Wii. If Nintendo are so 'pure' gaming, why are they messing around with weather channels and family message boards and photo viewers?

grue · Post by **grue** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:43 am 0

Samus do you own many Nintendo stocks?

Governmentyard · Post by **Governmentyard** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:46 am 0

Roobarb wrote: Well all he's saying is DVD and CD playback would add to the perceived value, and it probably would if we're talking bedroom Wii. If Nintendo are so 'pure' gaming, why are they messing around with weather channels and family message boards and photo viewers?

Because it is an easy way to encourage the whole family to use the console every day. Like DSBrowser or Brain Training or Nintendogs - not really games, but with the DS in the hand the danger of Mario Kart happening is always there.

Watch a DVD or listen to music and you'll be not playing games. But checking the weather is 2 minutes and there's all those other tasty morsels ready to be clicked as well...

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:10 am 0

Roobarb wrote:Well all he's saying is DVD and CD playback would add to the perceived value, and it probably would if we're talking bedroom Wii. If Nintendo are so 'pure' gaming, why are they messing around with weather channels and family message boards and photo viewers?

Well, all I'm saying is that almost everything Matt writes makes me think of a basic guy from the street with no creative or professional vision at all.

Anyways, 'pure' gaming or not, I like how they've implemented the weather channel, Mii's, photo album, etc. it doesn't distract me from the games, nor is it a reason for me to buy the machine. It's just something extra that I'm sure to enjoy alone and with my family. Is there a problem? They're still focusing on the games as much, or even more (wider approach), than ever.

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:12 am 0

grue wrote:Samus do you own many Nintendo stocks?

Hey, shut your beard!

biggestjim · Post by **biggestjim** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:26 am 0

Can I jump into this thread (and on the bandwagon) just to show off my new avatar? Eh?

Roobarb · Post by **Roobarb** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:37 am 0

goatboy wrote:Because it is an easy way to encourage the whole family to use the console every day.

Sure, but the same argument could be used as to the advantages of including CD/DVD (or even MP3 via SD/USB) playback. Gets them used to using the machine and the remote, and having a nice visualiser accompanying your CD's is always a bonus. Personally I think it's more likely to get 'mum' to use the machine than a facility for leaving notes for other family members. Of course, DVD video playback requires paying a license fee (~$15?) to the DVD forum, so i can see why they didn't include that.

goatboy wrote:Watch a DVD or listen to music and you'll be not playing games. But checking the weather is 2 minutes and there's all those other tasty morsels ready to be clicked as well...

Like spending the next 6hours surfing yakyak on the bundled Opera browser

Samus wrote:Well, all I'm saying is that almost everything Matt writes makes me think of a basic guy from the street with no creative or professional vision at all.

Well that's his audience isn't it?