Pc Neon anyone ?

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First: I don't like Macs at all and I can say it after using Macs quite a lot that I

a) I don't get the feeling at all
b) I prefer Windows lot more

Fair call. But there's up to 5-10% of people (at least here) who prefer Macs.

c) I still have to see a Mac working well not costing too much than what I'd pay for it

Other than the lack of a mid level, expandable desktop Mac, it's been shown lately that the machines they have hold their own price wise with other equivalent PCs. The slight price premium is worth it for me because (a) I personally like the OS and interface better, (b) aesthetically they crap on any PC and (b) you can run Windows well on new ones (which may negate the need for a Mac version I guess).

Second: there are no plans to port anything on Mac nor to let someone
else do it, if there will be a conversion of anything it will be me doing it,
Neon is a personal thing.

Fair enough I guess. It is you guys' call, but I have to ask that given the Mac version of GR++ is nigh on identical, should it really matter who does a *direct* port if the end user functionality is exactly the same?

Honestly to me Mac is a machine that could very well not exists, it would
not change my life a button (well no, it would simplify it not having
people asking me to do things for Mac )

Not nice Back in the day Yak coded games for a multitude of platforms, even those he didn't particularly like (Speccy?). Now the hardware across the two systems is pretty much nigh on identical (indeed the small amount of configurations could make it simpler for a Mac port perhaps?). That being said, as I mentioned before the possibility of running Windows on a Mac does make it a little less needed. I can't wait to see if/when Parallels uses the graphics card properly.

Anyway, we'll see .. time will tell personally before Mac I'd love lot more
to have the possibility to do something for Nintendo, I'd like lot to put
hands on a DS (and do something for it) and/or a Wii using the new controllers.

Now that would be really interesting.

Indeed it would be good.

[sty]

That being said, as I mentioned before the possibility of running Windows on a Mac does make it a little less needed.

without wishing to take this off at a tangent, but that would be the norm round here anyway

That statement is absolutely the nightmare scenario for me and people like me who use Macs as our primary platform, especially since Windows won't run on my Dual G5 system.

We don't want developers to stop porting to OSX and insist we use windoze.

The only reason I actually want Paralells to work properly etc. is so that I can ditch windows and get a MacBook Pro for my main work machine and then use Parallels etc. to run windows in a window for the stuff I need to use that won't be released on Mac (Visio, Visual Studio 2005 etc.)

More than anything though I want superior, or equal native ports, and I'm prepared to pay for them

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That statement is absolutely the nightmare scenario for me and people like me who use Macs as our primary platform, especially since Windows won't run on my Dual G5 system.
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We don't want developers to stop porting to OSX and insist we use windoze.
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More than anything though I want superior, or equal native ports, and I'm prepared to pay for them

What he said.

[lis0r]

Ok, since us Mac users obviously don't matter - when Neon PC is released, is anyone up for making a special Wine fork hand crafted to get it running perfectly?

[kalmar]

I'm fairly sure that wine isn't necessary or even desirable to enjoy Neon fully, and in any case it would be a glass, not a fork, surely - although I admit a nice hand engraved bit of silverware or glassware would be a fitting token to commemorate its long awaited launch.

Perhaps a nice gold plated drug-reefer-style-doobrie would be more apppropriate.

[gilesgoat]

*SNIP*

Second: there are no plans to port anything on Mac nor to let someone
else do it, if there will be a conversion of anything it will be me doing it,
Neon is a personal thing.

Fair enough I guess. It is you guys' call, but I have to ask that given the Mac version of GR++ is nigh on identical, should it really matter who does a *direct* port if the end user functionality is exactly the same?

*SNIP*

Code is one of the more personal and deep things, to me at least, is
like they would ask you to share your gf/bf/partener with someone else
and let him/her have sex with someone else "because it's the same".

Plus, if I do the conversion I learn some stuff about Mac and I can do
more stuff in the future for it, if someone else does it I'll never understand a button.

Neon is Neon, full stop.

There will be something for Macs at a point in time, I think one day
it will happen but I repeat once more again I don't like those machines
at all nor in a certain way all the "philosophy" connected to them.

"Enough", that's it.

In a way I'll probably feel quite reliefed the day I'll do something for Mac
so the Mac people will stop asking me to do it.

And no I am not going to buy another Mac after the last experience with
the Mini.

Ok it's true that "Mac OS has another approach to things" very appealing
and nice for some people, but not so much for me, anyway this is just
personal taste.

There will be something for Mac .. in time ..

[ravuya]

Code is one of the more personal and deep things, to me at least, is
like they would ask you to share your gf/bf/partener with someone else
and let him/her have sex with someone else "because it's the same".

I feel the same way anyone at work plunges their dirty, filthy fingers into my precious, precious code.

There will be something for Mac .. in time ..

Yay!

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Code is one of the more personal and deep things, to me at least, is
like they would ask you to share your gf/bf/partener with someone else
and let him/her have sex with someone else "because it's the same".

Plus, if I do the conversion I learn some stuff about Mac and I can do
more stuff in the future for it, if someone else does it I'll never understand a button.

Cool. It's obvious that coding is a personal thing for you, and I'm sure that learning about the Mac wouldn't be a bad thing . Really cool that you're standing by your guns on wanting to do the Mac port yourself. Had to point out that GR++ on a Mac is pretty damn spiffy too.

at all nor in a certain way all the "philosophy" connected to them.

How so? I've gone from using Vic20s, to C64s, to Atari ST/TT, to XWindows, to PC, to Mac in my time. They all served me well in their own way. I happen to use a Mac now because it's the best (not perfect, nothing is) tool available for my needs. What 'philosophy' are you referring to - that of the average Mac user or that of Apple themselves?

In a way I'll probably feel quite reliefed the day I'll do something for Mac
so the Mac people will stop asking me to do it.

That's pretty harsh. 'Mac people'?? We're all computer users here wanting the same good stuff. I thought we were all over 'a' vs 'b' computer stuff. It's so 80s

Ok it's true that "Mac OS has another approach to things" very appealing
and nice for some people, but not so much for me, anyway this is just
personal taste.

Absolutely. If we were all the same, the world would be quite dull.

[Peet]

Is this a Mac vs PC thread now, or can we still talk about Neon?

[Purple Grapefruit]

Is this a Mac vs PC thread now, or can we still talk about Neon?

Well if Neon was ported to the Mac AND i could run it
in a Mac emulator on a PC or Mac OS on a PC AND for
a Mac version of neon to be available in the not to distant
future, that doesn't involve fuck arseing about with
business men piss arseing about, then..........



PCs are shit.
Bill Gates can suck my jackhammer pimp god.

Mac version of Neon, pretty please.

[sty]

Giles:

Just for the record, because I don't want to be misunderstood.

I'm not asking (or expecting) you or anybody else to port Neon to Mac, my comments were aimed in general at the SW industry not to stop doing Mac versions just because we can boot windoze on the new Apple hardware.

I would love to be able to use Neon on my Mac if LLamasoft ever decided to port it, and I'd fully support it, however I'm not asking or expecting you to do it or hand over the code for someone else to do so (Yak has been bitten in the past with bad ports, and blessed with good ports in the case of GR++)

Personally I would much rather a myriad of XBLA games from LLamasoft at the moment

Getting back to Neon PC though, it must be truly gutting for Yak and Giles to be sat there on completed work, that should be earning them a revenue stream, let alone the pride of introducing lightsynths to a whole new audience.

I hope to Goat it all works out for you soon, and maybe this will in some way act as a wake up call to somebody in the industry that there has to be better ways of doing things somehow?

[gilesgoat]

[edit] - rethink - [edit] - rethink

Hm ..

I was about to write some stuff here, but on a third tought I think it could
do more damage than good ...

Suffice I say (about all this story) I am *SO* pissed you have no idea
and I better even not try to quantify it.

Well yes, it's not a good story at all.

My impression ? I am sending you a PM just to tell you "what I think"
but no making names and/or anything.

I don't really care so much about money and all at this point, I am sure
that in a way or another to sell Neon PC will make the money that Neon
worths .. is really all that thing, keeping on hold people that really are just waiting for it
and keeping them on hold for .. for I don't know really .. anwyay all
this story teaches something .. I hope .. surely there won't be a second
one like this in the future ..

And if there will be another one like this we can all go to a pub, get some beers
and say "yes, the games industry is fucked up" or at least the publishing side of it and drink over it laughing.

Hey hey 16K those were the days .. and so on ..

[Arv]

Has someone nicked ur idea?

http://www.neonv2.com

[zbandito]

Giles is having too much fun with other things, so why not let Gravy port it for us Maccies?

Are you referring to that 'short quickie project' that was supposed to be out a few weeks ago? Honest question; I've been offline for most of a month..

It was NOT "supposed to be out" (i.e. published) a few weeks ago .. it
was supposed to be finished "a few weeks ago" and I can only say timeline
been perfectly respected and .. and I won't anything else ...

.. hu oh .. ha ha .. har har .. eh eh ... ih ih ..

oops sorry

any idea when we all might get some more info on this then? I presume this isn't NeonPC...

[gilesgoat]

Giles is having too much fun with other things, so why not let Gravy port it for us Maccies?

Are you referring to that 'short quickie project' that was supposed to be out a few weeks ago? Honest question; I've been offline for most of a month..

It was NOT "supposed to be out" (i.e. published) a few weeks ago .. it
was supposed to be finished "a few weeks ago" and I can only say timeline
been perfectly respected and .. and I won't anything else ...

.. hu oh .. ha ha .. har har .. eh eh ... ih ih ..

oops sorry

any idea when we all might get some more info on this then? I presume this isn't NeonPC...

*whistle* *whistle* .. it's good stuff man .. it's good stuff ...

Is not this .. is not that .. is "that thing" ..