Official Nintendo Fanboy Smugness & Gloating Thread

grue · Post by **grue** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:44 pm 0

Snakey wrote:It's not just a few people saying this. People everywhere, who know what they're talking about, are saying the same thing, and being shot down by fanboys who really don't know, or don't WANT to know, what they're talking about. Nothing new.

I have much respect for your opinions Snakey but please don't tell me about people who know what they're talking about. The majority of the potential buyers have no clue whatsoever. They are those that bought the PS2 because it made them look cool and used it for FIFA and Medal of Honour.

Thus all Nintendo needs to do is make Wii a household name or a iPod-ish trend and they'll be shifting those 11 million in no time even without a price drop. IMHO always.

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:59 pm 0

/me bites tongue

Deckard · Post by **Deckard** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:10 pm 0

http://snemul.free.fr/ds/

very nice work in progress for you homebrew DS fans - just been playing Smash TV on the loo

namor7 · Post by **namor7** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:11 am 0

I see where you're coming from, Snakey, and to a large extent I agree, but I wouldn't be so quick to conclude that Wii's going to be the default #3 this gen simply because of launch price.

Ubisoft's president really seems to disagree: http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?optio ... 2&Itemid=2

Jamesac · Post by **Jamesac** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:05 am 0

The Wii is overpriced. The Wii is going to sell like mad. Both statements are true.

As I've said before, though, the real question is how it's going to go next summer, when the shine is off. The console war isn't about this Christmas, it's about the next one.

James

namor7 · Post by **namor7** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:21 am 0

Jamesac wrote:The Wii is overpriced. The Wii is going to sell like mad. Both statements are true.

That's what I'm saying.

Jamesac wrote:As I've said before, though, the real question is how it's going to go next summer, when the shine is off. The console war isn't about this Christmas, it's about the next one.

Good point.

ThetaReactor · Post by **ThetaReactor** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:57 am 0

Snakey wrote:
Marius wrote:and I personally would get much more value for my money.
No, you wouldn't, because as you stated you'll be buying more games. So you'll be paying more. So - about the same value then.

More games for the same price would be a better value, no?

Marius · Post by **Marius** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:32 am 0

Snakey wrote:
disciple wrote:but you missed out the "with a couple of extras bolted on" bit before when talking about the price point
That's because those extras do not cost the $100+ that they seem to be charging for them.

Samus wrote:For some it is, for some it isn't. That's why I'm asking people personally.
Well, some of us are thinking bigger than that. We're thinking about the millions of potential customers lost because of it. That's bad. I don't want another console that dies a premature death.

Marius wrote:I would gladly pay the same amount for the Wii as I did for a 360
Good job, because that's what you're being expected to do

Marius wrote:and I personally would get much more value for my money.
No, you wouldn't, because as you stated you'll be buying more games. So you'll be paying more. So - about the same value then..

I'm not exactly sure how you personally define "value". In my book it's not just about the price but about how much enjoyment I get out of said console regarding fun and hours spent. So in that regard, yes, I will get far more value for my money.

Post by **Snakey** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:07 am 0

My my, has everybody forgotten how to read?

disciple wrote:I bet Nintendo are kicking themselves, if only they'd realised they could have reduced the price of the Wii to sub Â£130 by ignoring the cost of the controller, nunchuck, new fangled drive mechanism and bundled software!!

Yeah, because no other console ever came with controllers, drives, or bundled software, did they? Oh, wait...

grue wrote:I have much respect for your opinions Snakey but please don't tell me about people who know what they're talking about. The majority of the potential buyers have no clue whatsoever.

Absolutely, but then, that's why I stated I was talking about people "who know what they're talking about", i.e. not the people you're talking about

ThetaReactor wrote:More games for the same price would be a better value, no?

Yep. Except, as I said in the bit you quoted, it's not for the same price. "You'll be paying more"...

Marius wrote:I'm not exactly sure how you personally define "value". In my book it's not just about the price but about how much enjoyment I get out of said console regarding fun and hours spent. So in that regard, yes, I will get far more value for my money.

Yeah, man. You'll no doubt get more out of it. But you'll have paid more for it. So it evens out. See?

grue · Post by **grue** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:37 am 0

1# Pokemon Diamond (NDS, Nintendo) - 820,047 units
2# Pokemon Pearl (NDS, Nintendo) - 768,687 units
3# .hack//G.U. Vol.2: Kimi Omou Koe (PS2, Banpresto) - 122,800 units
4# Everybody's Tennis (PS2, Sony) - 68,755 [383,545] units
5# New Super Mario Bros. (NDS, Nintendo) - 57,508 [3,193,679] units
6# Zaidan Houjin Nippon Kanji Nouryoku Kentei Kyoukai Kounin: KanKen DS (NDS, Rocket Co.) - 5,292 [45,292] units
7# Kawashima Ryuuta Kyouju Kanshuu: Motto Nouo Kitaeru Otona DS Training (NDS, Nintendo) - 39,897 [3,261,647] units
8# Final Fantasy III (NDS, Square Enix) - 39,165 [751,294] units
9# Sangokushi XI (PS2, Koei) - 29,304 units
10# Oide yo Doubutsu no Mori [Animal Crossing: Wild World] (NDS, Nintendo) - 26,287 [3,282,457] units

Japan Pokerabbies

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:47 am 0

disciple · Post by **disciple** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:27 am 0

Snakey wrote:Yeah, because no other console ever came with controllers, drives, or bundled software, did they? Oh, wait...

Oh right so not only is the Wii an "overclocked Gamecube" (your words). The following is also true.

Wii controller == GC controller
Wii drive mechanism == GC drive mechanism
Wii worldwide launch == GC launch
Wii advertising budget == GC advertising budget

There will be no cost increases incurred by Nintendo due to any of the above and therefore they can be ignored when estimating a price point.

Post by **Snakey** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:33 am 0

Nutter.

Go on. Tell me what's inside the console doesn't cost them a HELL of a lot less than what was inside the GC at launch. Now tell me the price difference with all that stuff you just quoted is more than $100 per unit. Now tell me I was right all along

But no, Nintendo couldn't possibly afford to sell it any cheaper. They've just made a fortune on Pokemon and are about to make a shitload more. They must be skint.

(your words)

Did I even say that?

disciple · Post by **disciple** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:20 am 0

Snakey wrote: Nutter.

Go on. Tell me what's inside the console doesn't cost them a HELL of a lot less than what was inside the GC at launch.

"inside the console"?

Ever get the feeling you're going round in circles?

Snakey wrote:Now tell me the price difference with all that stuff you just quoted is more than $100 per unit. Now tell me I was right all along

Now you're trying to put words in my mouth, folks have never said that Nintendo aren't making a profit.

All that's been said is that you can't just call it an overclocked GC and look at that alone when looking at the price point.

The only other thing I've commented on was when you did the "I was right" thing regarding your Gamecube+ comment :

Snakey wrote:Nope. But when I said it, I was wrong, apparently Very Happy

Cos nobody actually ever disagreed with you on that point!!!

Snakey wrote:
disciple wrote:(your words)
Did I even say that?

Crap, shouldn't have really quoted there but yes you did.

Snakey wrote:It's the same hardware clocked 1.5x higher.

Nintendo got IBMs & ATIs best overclocking teams on teh case!

Post by **Snakey** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:25 am 0

disciple wrote:Ever get the feeling you're going round in circles?

No. You are saying the console should cost more than the GC because it costs more to make. I'm saying it doesn't. See? Or are you really suggesting that we should pay more for the console just because Nintendo chose to attempt a worldwide launch?

disciple wrote:Nintendo got IBMs & ATIs best overclocking teams on teh case!

"Clocked Higher" is not the same as "Overclocked"