Pc Neon anyone ?

NickMon · Post by **NickMon** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:21 am 0

I know this is going to be a silly question in the long run but i'll ask anyway:

Cant you guys distribute Neon yourselfs via the web site and post out CDs etc...

OK i't wont be mass market like you hoped but at least some money will come in..

(be kind on me...)

Bog · Post by **Bog** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:46 am 0

At a wild guess, I'd guess it's something to do with Mickeysoft having the rights to some of it's core code. Licencing Hell, basically - you need the say so from the flatheads in marketing to flog it on.

Same reason Halo 2 is only coming out for Vista, not for Generic Windows. Bungie's whisky purchasing probably went through the roof over that one.

Yak · Post by **Yak** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:21 am 0

Nah, nothing to do with MS at all. Right from the word go it was made clear that MS don't own Neon, and there are absolutely no issues with them about the PC version (no issues with them *at all*, really. Say what you like about MS, but when parameters are clearly contractually defined you can be certain they won't transgress).

Purple Grapefruit · Post by **Purple Grapefruit** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:21 am 0

*purple grapefruit is exasperated*

Bog · Post by **Bog** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:22 am 0

Say what you like about MS, but when parameters are clearly contractually defined you can be certain they won't transgress).

"I really hope they make a nice, big, fat noise about the converter Alex and I wrote from LightWave to XAML"

There. I've said what I like about MS

Glad to hear that's not a thing.

punkrulesok · Post by **punkrulesok** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:36 pm 0

I would've thought that at the end of the day, if there's too much delay maybe a shareware scheme might work. download a demo, buy if you like it. but im really sure llamasoft have thought about that anyway.

DarkElf · Post by **DarkElf** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:40 am 0

I work for an Apple Premium Reseller, I don't like windows, so to use Neon I bought an Xbox 360.

I've been so happy to finally check the Neon that I also purhased a shareware app to stream from iTunes to the Xbox.

Now my xbox is turned since july, I once again use the iTunes visualizer on my projector. Yes, I can't control and manipulate it, but the transition between the effects are perfect unlike the Neon. I'll turn the 360 on again when Space Giraffe, or whatever is the name, will get released. I know it's not your fault for the MS to change the interface on the Neon, and thanks anyway, I've enjoyed GRAW on the 36. But as Mac user I wouldn't buy a mac Neon. The funny thing is that before buying the 360 and hecking the Neon I would have payed even 100,00 â‚¬ for a mac port, without even seeing it by myself.

Rod_S · Post by **Rod_S** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:50 am 0

Arv wrote:Has someone nicked ur idea?

http://www.neonv2.com

Interesting. Has anyone checked this out?

Post by **Snakey** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:58 am 0

Rod_S wrote:
Arv wrote:Has someone nicked ur idea?

http://www.neonv2.com
Interesting. Has anyone checked this out?

oh! cool, there was no other names to use! thanks llamasoft!

Seems they think they thought of it first. Hmm.

fog · Post by **fog** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:50 pm 0

Rod_S wrote:
Arv wrote:Has someone nicked ur idea?

http://www.neonv2.com
Interesting. Has anyone checked this out?

The end results are quite different to neon which IMO feels much more chilled.

The results in neonv2 are more varied though than on the 360 version of neon (can't comment on the PC version) but it's more like a sequencer to the 360's interactive experience.

gilesgoat · Post by **gilesgoat** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:09 pm 0

That Neonv2 is there since quite some time, it's not nicked at all .. is a different thing aimed at a different use.

There are a number of products for "VJs" or such, but they mostly are a
kind of "complex video mixers" with some stuff and are designed to work
with different concepts in minds.

If you look in some "video pro" stuff there are quite some things .. often
requiring interface with some "industry standard devices" and stuff .. but
those are generally things costing many Â£Â£Â£Â£

It's not that Neon is "the only existent thing" but I think it's possible to
say it's maybe "the only existent thing aimed at a certain kind of simple
yet powerful interactive use for non-pro people".

Said that I pushed once more for a deadline, I can't say what it is but
I think I can claim that "it's not going to go beyond it", we will do it
with or without 'x' because this is really now "much more than what anyone
can take".

Said that, I also said that some expected "feedback" is still not arrived, I
suggested one more "reasonable offer", if this is not going to work then
definitely "plan B" will start.

I point my hooves on that I am not intented to let it go more, we'll maybe
loose some (supposed of course, just supposed) money but I think well
"so it has to go then".

BBC-B Get'in'mah'bell-E · Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:02 pm 0

I've never really mentioned anything with regard to Neon PC (I have been looking forward to it - but in all honesty over recent months found my interest in it starting to wane due to the long delay (knowing the code was finished so long ago)).

I'm glad Giles that you guys have a "Plan B" prepared if the wait is forced on you for any longer. I presume its fair to say you wont be working with these people again? You probably can say nadda on that right now I know

What ever method of distribution you guys finally go for; I wish you all the best with it and hope any "other" plans don't loose you too much money.

Post by **RiK** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:18 pm 0

skip wrote:
sty wrote: That statement is absolutely the nightmare scenario for me and people like me who use Macs as our primary platform, especially since Windows won't run on my Dual G5 system.
snip
We don't want developers to stop porting to OSX and insist we use windoze.
snip
More than anything though I want superior, or equal native ports, and I'm prepared to pay for them
What he said.

What they said.

piku · Post by **piku** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:28 pm 0

RiK wrote:
skip wrote:
sty wrote: That statement is absolutely the nightmare scenario for me and people like me who use Macs as our primary platform, especially since Windows won't run on my Dual G5 system.
snip
We don't want developers to stop porting to OSX and insist we use windoze.
snip
More than anything though I want superior, or equal native ports, and I'm prepared to pay for them
What he said.
What they said.

As a user of another non-mainstream OS, I support this. Wouldn't it be nice if, when writing software, the main motivation for supporting platform "X" wasn't "It'll make us the most amount of money".

Hey look! Is that a pig going past my window?

Rod_S · Post by **Rod_S** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:41 am 0

piku wrote:Wouldn't it be nice if, when writing software, the main motivation for supporting platform "X" wasn't "It'll make us the most amount of money".

I read recently (in Wired I think) that Mac shareware developers see a significantly higher number of legit registrations than their PC counterparts, the point being that developing shareware for Windows doesn't necessarily equate to a higher income, just more pirated serial numbers and bent copies. I also remember reading something similar in an Adobe newsletter years ago.

Would be very interesting to see the sales statistics if a Neon version of OSX was developed. I'd be inclined to think that the OSX version would generate more registrations than the PC version, even on this forum alone I'd bet my left nut that more Mac users would actually pay for it and use it more creatively (and crucially in professional creative work) than the PC userbase. On the PC I think Neon would be viewed as some kind of underground stoner toy, but on OSX it'd be treated and used like a full blown creative application.

Get it sorted chaps.