Coronavirus Pandemic

[tufty]

what COVID-19 - the 19th identified coronavirus-caused disease we know of

NOOOOOOOOOO!

It surfaced in 2019. If it had been the second novel coronavirus in 2019, it would be COVID-19-2

[Little stoned kiwi]

I would prefer COVID-19-II.

Come to think of it, it would be more fun if they had classified it COVID-MMXIX. If only for the amusement factor of talking heads trying to say it instead of '19'.

[tufty]

Also...

Somehow, the idea "this is the 'flu" got stuck in the heads of politicians in the UK and US, despite the fact that its very name says otherwise.

To be fair to them, it got classified as SARS-2 later on, and the takeaway lines (the ones people wanted to hear) were that the majority of people contracting it got "mild, flu-like symptoms". The other information was there, of course, and the scientists were listening to it, but the majority of us only heard "mild, flu-like symptoms".

[KlaxonCow]

It surfaced in 2019.

Oh, oops. Okay, scrub that bit. Pretend it never happened.

[gilesgoat]

All that money?

In a user-pays environment, no one has been using much of anything. The only demand for non-use is rent - for land valued at the most that can be borrowed from the banks. "All that money" is as fake as the notes in a monopoly set. Despite a global downturn in activity they still demand their pound of flesh.
Lets rip the fuckers from their homes and make them watch as we burn everything they have.

I don't quite understand what you are saying here, can you rephrase it ?

As an Italian I am "even too much used" that "what the government gives you with a hand it takes away with the other, with interests".

If they give you money NOW, they want twice back TOMORROW or such.

"I am helping you in times of needs" .. to sink you into "semi infinite debt" once all is gone.

I cannot "by nature" absolutely trust "the government" to give me really something "to help" me.

[Little stoned kiwi]

Money isn't real. What is it that we have to pay back?

[gilesgoat]

.. and you did NOT want to believe me ...

https://www.huffingtonpost.it/entry/spo ... e78cabde47

.. this is Italy ..

Immuni, l’applicazione selezionata dal Governo per il tracciamento dei contagi da Coronavirus, resterà volontaria, ma chi sceglierà di non scaricarla potrebbe avere delle limitazioni negli spostamenti. Un incentivo per raggiungere quel 60% di adesioni che viene considerato la soglia minima per garantire l’efficacia del sistema. È quanto riporta oggi il Corriere della Sera.

"Immuni, the app selected by the Government to track Coronavirus contgagion, for the moment is voluntary but whoever will choose NOT to install it could have limitations of movements. An incentive to reach that 60% of adhesion that would be considered 'minimal thresold' to have the system working. It's what the Corriere delle Sera reports today".

“Non sono state rese note - lamenta - le valutazioni della ‘task force dati’, sull’efficacia della soluzione tecnologica adottata, le sue effettive finalità, sulla sicurezza dei dati che verranno stoccati in un unico cloud ministeriale”.

"It's been NOT - they complain - been known the evaluation of the 'data task force' of the efficacy of the solution adopted and the security of the data that will be stored into an unique ministerial cloud ( database ) ".


They go on also with "concern" about "actions used to control the Italian stock market" by the data in that cloud, which at the moment is completely "opaque" who and why and what can have access to.

The story seems to be "complicated" as there seems to be various things about the companies that developed it and such and so on.

Anyway "told you", you did not want to belive me, as they said "sure it's all voluntary BUT .. " ..

You don't have the phone ? FUCK YOU ! It's not problem of the government to give you one but you should have one ...

[(o)(o)]

Its nearest cousins, SARS and MERS do not have an effective treatment, do not have a vaccine, and they are still around. The only way to deal with these is, surprise surprise, "test, trace, isolate".

Here's a simple thing, that's not being talked about often or mentioned in the, ahem, "press". Singapore and other countries used thermometers to weed out people with a fever before they enter supermarkets (and etc), who then go on for testing (trace.. isolate). Such a simple, effective idea, completely ignored. Also in these countries in schools they take a picture of classes. If a pupil is found to have ye olde COVVY19... trace pupils in promixity from photograph.. isolate.

Instead in the UK - herd stupidity.

[zip accident]

Its nearest cousins, SARS and MERS do not have an effective treatment, do not have a vaccine, and they are still around. The only way to deal with these is, surprise surprise, "test, trace, isolate".

Here's a simple thing, that's not being talked about often or mentioned in the, ahem, "press". Singapore and other countries used thermometers to weed out people with a fever before they enter supermarkets (and etc), who then go on for testing (trace.. isolate). Such a simple, effective idea, completely ignored. Also in these countries in schools they take a picture of classes. If a pupil is found to have ye olde COVVY19... trace pupils in promixity from photograph.. isolate.

Instead in the UK - herd stupidity.

Yeah, we seem to be operating on the assumption that it's totally lethal and anyone who ever caught it is dead. I said before we need separate queues for <the infected and the recovered> and the uninfected. Do we have them?

[Dio]

We have no idea who's recovered and who hasn't.

I know at least ten people who have probably had it (fever + week long cough in the last 5 weeks) but nobody that has been tested for it apart from my mate who works at A&E.

[merman]

Money isn't real. What is it that we have to pay back?

British banknotes used to "promise to pay the bearer" its value.
Modern money is even more abstract, with debt a commodity to be traded.

This means two things.

1) The Governments borrowing huge amounts now at low interest rates is less of a problem that the years of quantitive easing (which was effectively the central banks changing numbers on a spreadsheet, pushing the real problems into the future)
2) Governments are under more pressure than ever to do the right thing for "the economy" rather than their people.

The US economy recovered after 2008 because Obama invested and spent on infrastructure, leading to ten years of increasing employment (that the Orange Don has tried to claim as his miracle).
The British economy was stagnating because of austerity and cuts, and is now in serious peril - especially if we push ahead with Brexit.

[tufty]

thermometers to weed out people with a fever

A thermometer is probably a decent way of weeding out the a significant number of people who are developing the virus or otherwise "asymptomatic", too. 'Cause your body temperature goes up once your immune system kicks in, even if it's not by much.

Over here they seem to have realised that test & trace is the only way we're getting out of lockdown on May 11, and there's a lot of talking heads going on about tests, and how they aren't 100% reliable yet. My view is that a test that's only, say, 80% reliable, is still an awful lot more reliable than a 100% reliable test you haven't got yet.

But you have to get aggressive on testing, and above all, tracing.

Immuni, the app selected by the Government to track Coronavirus contgagion, for the moment is voluntary but whoever will choose NOT to install it could have limitations of movements.

Wouldn't have expected anything different. And that's only for people refusing to install the app - they probably haven't even considered the option of people not having a phone in the first place - even having a non-connected phone is seen as "dubious", not having a phone at all is considered extremely odd, if not downright sinister.

Last year, my work tried to force me to have a work phone. I haven't had a mobile for the last 18 years, it's a deliberate choice, I don't need one or want one, and they make me anxious. It took a serious discussion with director and two union reps before they would back down, and even then I get throwaway close-to-insults about not having a phone on a regular basis.

We're probably terrorists, giles, and almost certainly more closely watched by "them" than anyone who actually has a phone.

[Kelloggs]

KlaxonCow, I know you've now realized where the 19 comes from, so please don't take this as a dig at you. I've just got annoyed - no, not that bad, piqued is probably better - at different references to this going all over the place, so please allow me to post my understandings. Also, please feel free to correct me, as if I'm going to stick my neck out like this and I'm wrong, I understand that I run a large risk of getting my head chopped off.

Virus: SARS-CoV-2. Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome caused by a CoronaVirus, the second (SARS being the first). This is the breathed-out particles from an infected person.

Classification of symptoms after infection by above: CoViD-19. CoronaVirus Disease, isolated in 2019. This is what breathing the particles in can cause.

Similarly, HIV: Human Immunodeficiency Virus. That's the virus name, and the symptoms it causes are referred to as AIDS, the Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome.

[Harlequin]

And while we are doing corrections ...

Its nearest cousins, SARS and MERS do not have an effective treatment, do not have a vaccine, and they are still around. The only way to deal with these is, surprise surprise, "test, trace, isolate".

The first SARS is no more around than smallpox. It does not appear to have been anywhere outside a laboratory for sixteen years. MERS is indeed still active, though, and killing between one and two hundred people a year,

[gilesgoat]

*SNIP*

Last year, my work tried to force me to have a work phone. I haven't had a mobile for the last 18 years, it's a deliberate choice, I don't need one or want one, and they make me anxious. It took a serious discussion with director and two union reps before they would back down, and even then I get throwaway close-to-insults about not having a phone on a regular basis.

My bro had serious harassement in various places for NOT having a Facebook page !

My bro always been contrary to Facebook in the simple sense of "people don't need to know what I do every day", he does have some website where he talk about his jobs/things but he does not have a FB page.

Some people still go TOTALLY MENTAL because you DO NOT have an FB page !!

We're probably terrorists, giles, and almost certainly more closely watched by "them" than anyone who actually has a phone.

Well .. to be honest I am not sure if we are already into a lost battle because "all the other 90% are NOT like us and they all gave in", if we'd be "a good % againist all this" maybe we'd be so closely watched as you said.

Probably for the moment they "just look at the %" and go "it's not raising, it's all ok, who cares about them".

But what about a future ?

I type "Hey Tufty I think that this thing about the government ... " ... and you say "Yeah I agree with you" .. and then 10 mins later there's a drone out in our garden and 20 mins later a SWAT team and then we both become two "Desaparecidos" that never existed ?

And when all it's really digital " a press of a button " and we are erased from every recorded history ?

Tufty ? There's no such person , you are mistaken, there are no records !

.. etc. ..