EU referendum are you in or out

[merman]

Don't worry, David Davis has a PLAN...

Well, they might publish a blueprint by February 2017.

As thousands of EU citizens in the UK worry about their future status.

[Whiteball]

Technically I think it's actually the 'Union Flag'. It's only a jack when it's on a ship?

[rowan]

Technically I think it's actually the 'Union Flag'. It's only a jack when it's on a ship?

I'm pretty sure that's been debunked and both are valid in everyday usage.

[KlaxonCow]

People who aren't patriotic just don't get it.

So the Scots aren't patriotic? They voted remain.

Both to the EU and to the UK.

Ah, no, I get you. The Scots are patriotic... but to the "wrong" flag, so it doesn't count.

I've only realised that this evening when my 2 best friends, who are both 'remain', are also not into sport or supporting the UK in anything and therefore have no patriotic urge

You can only have "patriotic urge" when you're into sports?

I've always felt an immense surge of pride whenever I see the Union Jack - heck, we had to draw it dozens of times over the years in school.

How very Pavlovian.

At least you're not Welsh. That dragon is a bugger to draw well.

I want to take back control

With an unelected Prime Minister, of a barely majority Tory government with an "austerity" fetish, who feels it's "unacceptable" for our democratic representatives in Parliament to have any input or say on this fundamental constitutional issue and the terms of the eventual deal?

Take back control of what exactly?

Immigration?

My local corner shop is run by a nice Indian family. India is part of the Commonwealth, not the EU. My Muslim ex-neighbour - he recently moved last month - was from Pakistan. Commonwealth, not EU. The Chinese restaurant is run by a Chinese family. Obviously, not EU. The kebab shop is run by Turks and Iranians. Not EU. The bloke who does the window cleaning is of Afro-Caribbean descent. Commonwealth, not EU.

I don't know about where you live, but is your street full of French and German immigrants? Are you overrun by Swedes?

And all this is academic anyway. If we want access to the single market - the biggest economic area on the planet - then there's no compromise on freedom of movement. The Visegrád Group - Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia - have explicitly stated that if there is no freedom of movement in the Brexit deal, they will veto it. One veto sinks any prospective deal. End of discussion.

Of course, we could abandon Single Market access and "hard Brexit". I hope your "patriotism" in enjoying sports is ready for the economic consequences of that one. We can't negotiate with other countries while still part of the EU. We have to leave first and then try to rebuild everything back up with other nations from scratch (as all their current deals are with the EU, not with us). They also all know we're desperate to get back into the wider world economy, so they'll take full advantage. There's already talk of watering down our regulations and consumer standards to let in the Americans, who abide by lower standards. That'll be fun.

Out of interest, while watching your sports, was your patriotic pride at witnessing the Union Flag in some way diminished for being in the EU for the past several decades?

There seems to be some bandwagon along the lines of "you're thick/racist" if you voted Brexit. Grow up!

To recap, you voted Brexit because you like sports and drew the flag loads of times when you were a kid.

That's your stated reasoning. And we're the ones who need to grow up?

[(o)(o)]

I'm sick of all the moaners going on about brexit. Deal with it.

Given the negative outlook, people are going to have... a negative outlook.

People who aren't patriotic just don't get it. I've only realised that this evening when my 2 best friends, who are both 'remain', are also not into sport or supporting the UK in anything and therefore have no patriotic urge so of course didn't want to brexit.

Not into... SPORT ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?



OMG. Off with their heads. This is TREASON !!!

At the very least they are probably terrorists.

I've always felt an immense surge of pride whenever I see the Union Jack...

"..surge of pride.."

What does that mean exactly?

I'm getting a funtime vibe about what you consider patriotism to be. Could be interesting have you got any more..?

[zip accident]

I'm sick of all the moaners going on about brexit. Deal with it.

Had a 'date from hell' in London last week, where almost straight away she brought up the issue (why?) and of course I had to be true to myself, knowing full well that almost everyone in London is a 'remain', so said I voted brexit. Cue a grilling from her about why etc and it went downhill from there.

People who aren't patriotic just don't get it. I've only realised that this evening when my 2 best friends, who are both 'remain', are also not into sport or supporting the UK in anything and therefore have no patriotic urge so of course didn't want to brexit.

Why didn't I see that before? I've always felt an immense surge of pride whenever I see the Union Jack - heck, we had to draw it dozens of times over the years in school. Part of our upbringing in the north..

I've been made to feel a pariah for voting Brexit (I did a uni thesis on it back in 1991, pre-Maastricht, about the "perils of futher European integration". We didn't vote to join the EU back in the day, we voted to join the EEC. Somehow we've been dragged in, hence I want to take back control).

There seems to be some bandwagon along the lines of "you're thick/racist" if you voted Brexit. Grow up!

PS This is just a vent! Needed to get it off my chest - I haven't read this thread

Okay taking this in parts:

I'm sick of all the moaners going on about brexit. Deal with it.

Nope, it was a swizz, we wuz robbed.

Had a 'date from hell' in London last week, where almost straight away she brought up the issue (why?) and of course I had to be true to myself, knowing full well that almost everyone in London is a 'remain', so said I voted brexit. Cue a grilling from her about why etc and it went downhill from there.

Irrelevant.

People who aren't patriotic just don't get it. I've only realised that this evening when my 2 best friends, who are both 'remain', are also not into sport or supporting the UK in anything and therefore have no patriotic urge so of course didn't want to brexit.

Patriotism means wishing your country well, Brexit if it goes ahead, and I hope it won't, will be disatrous for Britain, so no patriots voted Brexit.

Why didn't I see that before? I've always felt an immense surge of pride whenever I see the Union Jack - heck, we had to draw it dozens of times over the years in school. Part of our upbringing in the north..

I've been made to feel a pariah for voting Brexit (I did a uni thesis on it back in 1991, pre-Maastricht, about the "perils of futher European integration". We didn't vote to join the EU back in the day, we voted to join the EEC. Somehow we've been dragged in, hence I want to take back control).

There seems to be some bandwagon along the lines of "you're thick/racist" if you voted Brexit. Grow up!

While it's not nice to be picked on, claiming only one side in a vote is patriotic is also picking on people.

PS This is just a vent! Needed to get it off my chest - I haven't read this thread

No FT no comment.

[Ratsoap]

Ah, no, I get you. The Scots are patriotic... but to the "wrong" flag, so it doesn't count.

Haha, yep.

Trigger warning. Contains Revstu.

[phattslagg]

Thanks to Poe's Law, I find myself unable to tell if techno12 is trying to be a parody of a Brexit supporter, or if he is, in fact, serious. I bet he can't wait for his blue passport.

[venusian]

Thought this was interesting. Case study of a pro-brexit troll. Relentless, directed, only in office-hours. A paid troll? Article's own bias noted.

http://brexit24.com/a-day-in-the-life-of-a-times-troll

[merman]

10 years to do a trade deal.

And no Pink Panther biscuits to go with your tea:

Pink wafer biscuit firm feels Brexit crunch

[gumboot]

Thanks to Poe's Law, I find myself unable to tell if techno12 is trying to be a parody of a Brexit supporter, or if he is, in fact, serious. I bet he can't wait for his blue passport.

As soon as Trump takes office he's going to repeal Poe's Law. It's a stoopid law!

[Absolute_Zero]

Hammond in Welt.

Whatever else you might think [not my preference] it's a clear outline of what to expect Tuesday and onward.

[Ollie]

Hammond in Welt.

Whatever else you might think [not my preference] it's a clear outline of what to expect Tuesday and onward.

We have full employment.

The fuck we do. They really just don't bother with the truth any more, do they?

[Absolute_Zero]

"full employment"

More recently, economists have come up with a concept called the non-accelerating inflation rate of unemployment, or NAIRU, measuring the level of unemployment – often referred to as "structural" – that is supposedly consistent with pretty much everyone being able to find a new job if they want. The Bank of England and Office for Budget Responsibility currently put Britain's long-term NAIRU at around 5%.

At 4.8 per cent, we are in "full employment" - technically.

[zip accident]

"full employment"

More recently, economists have come up with a concept called the non-accelerating inflation rate of unemployment, or NAIRU, measuring the level of unemployment – often referred to as "structural" – that is supposedly consistent with pretty much everyone being able to find a new job if they want. The Bank of England and Office for Budget Responsibility currently put Britain's long-term NAIRU at around 5%.

At 4.8 per cent, we are in "full employment" - technically.

That definition that the Guardian is repeating is silly. If anybody who wants can find jobs, what is keeping wages down while food prices rise?