EU referendum are you in or out

[gumboot]

Elected representatives fail by a landslide, you say?

[tufty]

Elected representatives fail by a landslide, you say?

Deserve to be killed in a landslide, perhaps.

Yes, a landslide. But a landslide that fails to represent the desires of the electors, that simply follows inertia of the Westminster machine.

[Cloudane]

And thanks to all this shit my £8.50 Adobe Cloud Photography subscription is going up to £10.10...

It's basically as if VAT has gone up to like 40%. Everything much more expensive, but we won't get any pay rises, because everything is much more expensive for the businesses as well.

Could be worse though, at least we don't have a mentally unstable, shit talking edgy 13 year old in an orange 70 year old's body calling all the shots. (Though depending what shots he calls we'll all be dead soon anyway)

[KlaxonCow]

EU referendum result:

Leave - 51.89%
Remain - 48.11%

Parliamentary vote on Brexit:

Leave - 81.37%
Remain - 18.63%

Please ignore this discrepancy and move along. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[Absolute_Zero]

Chances are that France will elect a Thatcherite President this year... hopefully <- rather than the not inconceivable Le Pen.

Uh-oh, Fillon is in fraud trouble. So...

Hamon - socialist cadaver spasm.

Le Pen - currently has a ceiling on her support. Caution: she'll be the preferred ISIS pick for president, so a 'spectacular' could be in the planning.

Macron - 'interesting' doesn't even begin to describe this candidate. Really. Who’s behind the mysterious rise of Emmanuel Macron?

Fillon/Juppe/Sarky ?

[Mayhem]

EU referendum result:

Leave - 51.89%
Remain - 48.11%

Parliamentary vote on Brexit:

Leave - 81.37%
Remain - 18.63%

Please ignore this discrepancy and move along. Nothing to see here. Move along.

However... if you count each individual constituency on whether it voted by majority leave or remain (ignoring the popular vote % ala US elections)...

Leave - 73%
Remain - 27%

(ie. the public in 73% of all constituencies in the country voted >50% to leave)

Which is a bit closer to how the corresponding MPs then voted... in other words, a lot more Remain wins had far higher winning margins than the Leave wins.

[zip accident]

https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/ ... rice-rise/

Microsoft hikes Surface Pro, Book prices up to £400 due to Brexit

We'll all be better off under Brexit right?

[Ollie]

Lidl toothpaste is up 40% this week. Bloody Brexit.

[venusian]

Don't worry folks, Tony has arrived on his steaming white charger.

Never before have so many people looked at their saviour and dispaired.

[Absolute_Zero]

Don't worry folks, Tony has arrived on his steaming white charger.

Never before have so many people looked at their saviour and dispaired.

Despaired... and that saviour's name is Jeremy.

I expected some traffic on this, but hey... it's perplexing for the Jezzers -Remain almost all- that the hated-one is making the stand they'd wish the great leader had made way back when. Rather than, as he did, call for the immediate invocation of article 50 on June 24th 2016. Simple really, dear comrades, JC & St John are fully in favour of Brexit as a waypoint en-route to utopia.

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/11/ ... ty-britain

[merman]

Don't worry folks, Tony has arrived on his steaming white charger.

Never before have so many people looked at their saviour and dispaired.

Despaired... and that saviour's name is Jeremy.

I expected some traffic on this, but hey... it's perplexing for the Jezzers -Remain almost all- that the hated-one is making the stand they'd wish the great leader had made way back when. Rather than, as he did, call for the immediate invocation of article 50 on June 24th 2016. Simple really, dear comrades, JC & St John are fully in favour of Brexit as a waypoint en-route to utopia.

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/11/ ... ty-britain

Actually it's more to do with trade deals like CETA that McDonnell made that speech in favour of Brexit the day after the referendum. If you read that through it's entirely consistent with the stance Corbyn has taken - the result is Leave, Labour's aim is to make it the best deal we can get...


... But as membership of the EEA and Single Market float away like refugees in an overcrowded boat, it's hard to see how any deal will be good for Britain post-Brexit. £100 billion EXTRA borrowing from Chancellor Hammond will now be offset by further slash and burn of public services.

[KlaxonCow]

Oxford University is in talks about opening a new campus near Paris.

The motivation, of course, is Brexit and the loss of EU funding and cooperation, and the great likelihood that our Tory government is in no way going to make up the difference, while they're already intent on stopping students to come study here.

So, by becoming multinational, they largely side-step the problem, as a part of their institution will remain in the EU, even if the UK doesn't.

They undoubtedly won't be the only ones to hedge their bets in this fashion.

And the grand problem, going forward, is this. What happens if the Paris campus ends up doing better in the long term? Thriving under EU funding, where the UK government insists on "austerity" to cripple them and being able to welcome foreign students freely, without having to worry about the government throwing up immigration roadblocks.

What begins as hedging their bets with a small operation in Paris could end up becoming their main operation and Oxford itself the tiny little regional branch.

The banks have already made plans to either shift their operations to the EU or at least, like Oxford, to keep one foot in both camps.

We're already looking to potentially lose London as a world financial centre to Brexit and now the other thing where Britain excels on the world stage - higher education - is making plans to jump ship too.

[Absolute_Zero]

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/11/15/john-mcdonnell-backs-brexit-enormous-opportunity-britain

Actually it's more to do with trade deals like CETA that McDonnell made that speech in favour of Brexit the day after the referendum. If you read that through it's entirely consistent with the stance Corbyn has taken - the result is Leave, Labour's aim is to make it the best deal we can get...

The principled Jez has been very consistent... apart from a short period when he feigned Remain in favour of a party of five. Frank, Kate, Gisela, Jeremy and John.

● Decades of Bennite antipathy.

● Lacklustre [some say 'obstructionist'] campaign.

● Calls for the immediate invocation of Article 50 the day after the referendum.

● Would-be chancellor characterises Brexit as an "Enormous Opportunity".

● Not wedded to 'Freedom of Movement. Implicit ergo, not wedded to EEA/Single-Market either since they are pretty much concomitant.

● Pointlessly imposes a 3-line whip of the PLP on Article 50.


It looks/walks/quacks like a duck... it has been examined by Attenborough and declared not-a-platypus... it is in fact, a DUCK!

Now to add insult to Blair injury, the dark lord Mandelbot is rallying the opposition in the other place. You really couldn't make it up.

[venusian]

After years of "Bairite" being an insult among Labour types, this is the first time the big boys have returned fire. Will be interesting to see how it pans out. Given who originally pushed through our EU entry this is turning to a battle between Brexit ans the men of the recent past (Blair, Mandy, Clarke) and the men of the more distant past (who are old or dead and their deeds fight by proxy). The men of the present seem oddly absent. And by men I mean people.

McDonnell is right about an "enormous opportunity" though. Big upside, tiny chance of getting it. The chances of getting a net win are higher inside the EU.

[gilesgoat]

.. one thing still in all this mess not clear to me is WHAT EXACTLY UK wants for being out of EU ?

Better market deals ? Less immigration ? More freedom how of what ?

What is "so magic now" that UK can do that they could not do before while in EU that is SO necessary/important to leave EU ?