EU referendum are you in or out

[toxibunny]

Fwiw, i like klaxoncow's time idea.

[PFVA]

Whilst the sirens no longer actually physically sound and we have employment laws and contracts, they apparently still do sound inside the scarred psyche of the Western mind, as we still adhere to "the 9am siren".

Erm... actually around here several towns still have the 1PM sirene that announces to everybody it's lunch time. It's done by the fire stations and it can be heard pretty well across each town.

[gilesgoat]

.. THANK YOU FIREFOX ...

... for allowing me to click on a picture of Theresa May and say "Delete from history" ...

Pity I can't do that in the real world ...

[gilesgoat]

Anyway, to the matter of Brexit, Theresa May has said that giving people the vote - on a completely different three-way question of her deal, no deal or cancelling Brexit - would be "a betrayal of democracy".

So, umm, not giving anyone the vote would be "true democracy"?!

How does any of this work, Prime Minister? Do you even understand yourself?

That actually opens an interesting political/philosophical question(s) ... "How many times is ok to vote for something ?" and/or "it's ok to keep one vote as the final answer ?" can people have the right to "re-think their decisions" ?

SUPPOSE someone makes REALLY a decision that "it's completely shit" so "democracy" you HAVE TO let ALL the shit happens FIRST and THEN maybe re-vote again once the damage is done to PROVE that "you done what people wanted" even if that can be seen "it's more deleterious than not doing it" before the damage is done ?

Also in the case of Brexit, or ANY time you vote for anything, "is it correct to leave things as they are" if turns out "actually the voting itself been quite compromised as people DID NOT do a really INFORMED choice ?".

Also "we voted to all jump a cliff and die" .. well "ALL" .. BIG STATEMENT, 51% about of it, so it's near 50% saying "NO actually" .. so everyone is going to die FIRST "because that's what a SLIGHTLY MAJORITY" wanted and THEN after almost all have died we'll vote again "because that's the way it works ?".

At what point "the democratic system fails ?"

Anyway in the "special case of Brexit" is pretty clear that "people had no clue what they really been voting for" but also "it's been done without any real plan/consequences study".

Also is quite clear that "UK politics is completely in shambles" .. there's Tories .. and what else ? "Labour is almost non-existent" there's any real opposition of anything it's more "a coalition of everyone for a common crap"

Who what would/could you vote for ? That is the other problem .. erm ... "No one ?" because "nothing is that good to be worth to be voted ?".

It's amazing how "almost in ALL THE WORLD" political systems got to a point where people go to vote "for the least possible evil/crap" rather then going to vote "for something really good to believe in".

There's nothing like that any more really "the times of real ideals, real things, real promises" .. it's all gone .. there are not real strong leaders any more .. must be said "in this really shitty climate", DO NOT SAY he was "that perfect" but at least Obama for a while "was something a bit different", definitely better than certain people with strange hair

Anyway .. move one .. fall down the cliff .. then we'll try to collect and fix the remaining pieces, if possible.

I am part of that 49% that is unhappy and will remain unhappy.

Mind you is very very very very hard to be happy of anything nowadays "nothing works as it should", everywhere

[merman]

If they ran a referendum, and it came back to cancelling Brexit...then what? Can Article 50 just be called off?

In theory yes, at any time before the two years' notice period is up. So that means the end of March 2019.

Of course this is another FACT that the Brexiteers would like people to ignore / forget.

[PFVA]

If Brexit really happens can you take Hungary with you? Please... please.

[zip accident]

If Brexit really happens can you take Hungary with you? Please... please.

What did they do?

[tufty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/id ... ktor_Orban

[Istar]

Written just four days after The Day The English Stood Stupid, this is a remarkably clear and concise essay on the merits, or otherwise, of holding referenda in western democracies. Also, what to do if your country votes the wrong way.

https://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2016/06/2 ... emocratic/

[merman]

And the Conservative MEPs were told to vote against the EU censuring Hungary's government.

Which means that they aligned themselves with the right-wing anti-Semitic Hungarians...

[KlaxonCow]

Really, Boris? "Suicide vest"?

That dog whistle is so loud that, I think you should know, Boris, the non-racists can also hear it too.

Also, it's just plain nonsensical as a metaphor - which makes the dog whistling all the more obvious - because if the UK conceding control of various bits of immigration policy, economic policy and so forth to the EU equates to "suicide", then we committed suicide 40 years ago when we joined the EU. So, by this metaphor, we're already dead.

So how does this work, Boris? The Prime Minister is strapping a suicide vest to a corpse that's 40 years rotted? Well, the resulting explosion won't bother the long dead, so it could only harm the EU to use that "detonator", as you suggested, if they're a bit too close. Otherwise, the PM is allowing the EU to blow up someone who's already dead?

You spent so long thinking how you could dog whistle to the Islamaphobes, you forgot that a dog whistle is supposed to be silent to anyone but the dogs and didn't spend enough time making sure this metaphor actually worked.

[Rubisco]

If they ran a referendum, and it came back to cancelling Brexit...then what? Can Article 50 just be called off?

In theory yes, at any time before the two years' notice period is up. So that means the end of March 2019.

Of course this is another FACT that the Brexiteers would like people to ignore / forget.

Only as much as remoaners forget the fact that there's nothing in Article 50 to prevent Bre-entry at a later date when it all goes tits-up.

And however bad it gets in the short term, isn't that preferable to the prospect of UKIP never fucking off?

[snaff]

Mark Carney is now in favour of Brexit. He reckons it could reduce house prices by up to a third, saving the average person over a hundred thousand pounds.

[Little stoned kiwi]

Really? How does that work?

[Mayhem]

Presuming if interest rates skyrocket... people then won't be able to afford changing houses at the old prices due to massive increases in monthly repayments, thus prices would have to come down to accommodate budgets.