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Rambozo wrote:
the2bears wrote:New Orleans has a large black population, and the unfortunate reality is that a lot of them are very poor.
Why are they so poor? Honest question.
I'm going to be guilty of over-simplification I'm sure... but I would say most of them were not fortunate to have been born into the opportunities I've had (you can read that as middle-class white). To a certain degree people make their own path, but you've got to be dealt a hand to play.

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the2bears wrote:
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the2bears wrote:New Orleans has a large black population, and the unfortunate reality is that a lot of them are very poor.
Why are they so poor? Honest question.
I'm going to be guilty of over-simplification I'm sure... but I would say most of them were not fortunate to have been born into the opportunities I've had (you can read that as middle-class white). To a certain degree people make their own path, but you've got to be dealt a hand to play.

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So it's White America's fault? I'm just trying to understand, mind you.
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If you are lucky enough to be afforded education - you take it.

If you learn skills, you can get a job.

With a job you can pay your way and dont need to be a criminal.

You also are less likley to be poor.



Take away the first line, and you automatically cancel out the rest. Opportunity is somthing a lot of people take for granted, but not everybody gets the breaks. Also dont forget there a big racism problem in the states against blacks, and it diesnt help that just north a little way is the bible belt which to be truthful, is just as bad.

Its a rotten country imho, full of its own superiority over the rest of the world and the white american ruling supreme over all they survey. Opportunities are routinely witheld from black families because of criminal stereotypes, backgrounds, or even just the area where they live.

Theres no real person or body to lay onus on Rambozo, its just the culture that has been allowed to mature unchallenged since slavery days.

Eg: When the KKK was disbanded, the NRA was formed and it said whites could own guns, blacks could not. How else are you maintain the upper hand ?

So like I said - shit country with a shitload of problems.
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Rambozo wrote: Why are they so poor? Honest question.
Some of the areas like Biloxi in Mississipi received an economic boom in the 90's
when gambling was legalised and developed a reputation for a place
to go if one was looking for a decent paid job in the casino
or hospitality industry.

Certainly not the only reason. but another to be added to th eones above.

BTW national guard troops have now been given the order to shoot to kill
anybody seen looting.

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Rambozo wrote:
the2bears wrote:
Rambozo wrote:
the2bears wrote:New Orleans has a large black population, and the unfortunate reality is that a lot of them are very poor.
Why are they so poor? Honest question.
I'm going to be guilty of over-simplification I'm sure... but I would say most of them were not fortunate to have been born into the opportunities I've had (you can read that as middle-class white). To a certain degree people make their own path, but you've got to be dealt a hand to play.

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So it's White America's fault? I'm just trying to understand, mind you.
No. Where did you draw that question from?

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the2bears wrote:[No. Where did you draw that question from?

Bill
You said it was the misfortune of not being born privileged. I assume you were implying that those born white have an advantage over those born black, and that is the reason for the unbalanced white-to-black poverty ratio.

You seemed to be saying that it was racism on the part of white Americans that was to blame for the high numbers of poor black people.


Am I correct?
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Matrix wrote:Dude, ive been to Liverpool, and believe me, Liverpool under 20ft of water would be a hell of an improvement - plus it would get a long needed wash
Fuck me! I agree with Matrix!
Matrix wrote:Netherlands, under sea level too Cripes.... and you're a lot closer to the ice caps too...... not good. Bonkers is relative really, I have serious concerns for people who chose to live below sea level - it's not like theres a lack of "above" sea level land is it ?
The Netherlands is not the only place below sea level, take a look at the fens (where I'm originally from). About 15 miles from where I was born is "Ramsey Forty Foot", which is, yes, forty feet below sea level. That's about 13m for those in euro-land.

So _why_ would people choose to live in such an area? It's extremely fucking good farming land, basically. When the UK was an industrial / agricultural split country, places like the fens meant that people in the cities could eat. It's less important now, but still a major production area.

Basically, yes, there is a lack of productive 'above sea level' land.

And New Orleans was placed where it is/was for strategic and financial reasons - controlling the entrance to a major river - as explained earlier in the thread.

Why do people live there? - Have a job in the city, or starve in the countryside.

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For the richest country in the world they sure as hell don't have a fucking clue how to deal with a disaster
Three days ago, police and national guard troops told citizens to head toward the Crescent City Connection Bridge to await transportation out of the area. The citizens trekked over to the Convention Center and waited for the buses which they were told would take them to Houston or Alabama or somewhere else, out of this area.

It's been 3 days, and the buses have yet to appear.

Although obviously he has no exact count, he estimates more than 10,000 people are packed into and around and outside the convention center still waiting for the buses. They had no food, no water, and no medicine for the last three days, until today, when the National Guard drove over the bridge above them, and tossed out supplies over the side crashing down to the ground below. Much of the supplies were destroyed from the drop. Many people tried to catch the supplies to protect them before they hit the ground. Some offered to walk all the way around up the bridge and bring the supplies down, but any attempt to approach the police or national guard resulted in weapons being aimed at them.

There are many infants and elderly people among them, as well as many people who were injured jumping out of windows to escape flood water and the like -- all of them in dire straights.

Any attempt to flag down police results in being told to get away at gunpoint. Hour after hour they watch buses pass by filled with people from other areas. Tensions are very high, and there has been at least one murder and several fights. 8 or 9 dead people have been stored in a freezer in the area, and 2 of these dead people are kids.

The people are so desperate that they're doing anything they can think of to impress the authorities enough to bring some buses. These things include standing in single file lines with the eldery in front, women and children next; sweeping up the area and cleaning the windows and anything else that would show the people are not barbarians.

The buses never stop.

Before the supplies were pitched off the bridge today, people had to break into buildings in the area to try to find food and water for their families. There was not enough. This spurred many families to break into cars to try to escape the city. There was no police response to the auto thefts until the mob reached the rich area -- Saulet Condos -- once they tried to get cars from there... well then the whole swat teams began showing up with rifles pointed. Snipers got on the roof and told people to get back.

He reports that the conditions are horrendous. Heat, mosquitoes and utter misery. The smell, he says, is "horrific."

He says it's the slowest mandatory evacuation ever, and he wants to know why they were told to go to the Convention Center area in the first place; furthermore, he reports that many of them with cell phones have contacts willing to come rescue them, but people are not being allowed through to pick them up
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Rambozo wrote:
the2bears wrote:[No. Where did you draw that question from?

Bill
You said it was the misfortune of not being born privileged. I assume you were implying that those born white have an advantage over those born black, and that is the reason for the unbalanced white-to-black poverty ratio.

You seemed to be saying that it was racism on the part of white Americans that was to blame for the high numbers of poor black people.


Am I correct?
Not about me implying any racism.

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HGFB wrote:For the richest country in the world they sure as hell don't have a fucking clue how to deal with a disaster
That's because the only thing Americans really know how to do to any kind of crisis is shoot at it. If that doesn't work they're pretty much fucked.
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This is weird. Check the synopsis for this programme that aired in June on FX in the States:

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Rev. Stuart Campbell wrote:
HGFB wrote:For the richest country in the world they sure as hell don't have a fucking clue how to deal with a disaster
That's because the only thing Americans really know how to do to any kind of crisis is shoot at it. If that doesn't work they're pretty much fucked.
I really can't believe that its so long after it happened now and there are still people dying in the streets, when the country is so huge and has so many resources. It beggars believe. I have been horrified seeing the pics of babies screaming for water and food. The place should be bulldozed and they should rebuild a New New Orleans somewhere safer.

After Katrina and the waves, the survivors arent exactly walking on sunshine and they need someone to help them and fast.
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The Caffeine Kid wrote:After Katrina and the waves, the survivors arent exactly walking on sunshine and they need someone to help them and fast.
Groan! I was waiting for someone to get that reference in :(
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Rhythm wrote:This is weird. Check the synopsis for this programme that aired in June on FX in the States:

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As the year of 2005 continues, the true spirit of American sacrifice emerges. Aspects of a new agrarian philosophy take root, alternative sources of energy are put on a fast track and the basic decency of Americans rises to the occasion....
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Wouldn't that be nice.
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Matrix wrote:Neatherlands, under sea level too 8O Cripes.... and you're a lot closer to the ice caps too...... not good. Bonkers is relative really, I have serious concerns for people who chose to live below sea level - it's not like theres a lack of "above" sea level land is it ?
Depends where you live and what happens.

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