EU referendum are you in or out

[Deckard]

Its odd in it with conspiracy theories that you either believe in them all or none at all ? My sister believes Di was murdered, the towers were brought down by the fbi, ghosts,ufos and that all
Vaccines are poison .Oddly in this day and age of constant surveillance and cameras everywhere we don’t have hd video or audio of either ghosts or ufos....Has any conspiracy theory in the last 30 actually been proved ? FFS they can barely keep a me iPhone a secret....you got to laugh..

[Cloudane]

You have to love how the ardent Brexiteers are always like "Leave won and that's that, shut up and stop remoaning"

I guara-damn-TEE that if it was the other way round and Remain had won with the same narrow majority, UKIP and their ilk would have gone absolutely apeshit, demanded a recount, demanded a second referendum, they'd not just give up and say "oh well that's settled then we'll never mention it again". Please. Hypocrites, the lot of 'em

[Rhythm]

Hmm, a bunch of ERG types (including Mogg) now coming forward and saying "maybe revoke is the best move then?". Which makes sense. May could absolutely still save a bit of face by stepping up, saying "we tried, it was divisive as fuck, we should have figured out what we actually wanted before we tried to leave, I'm calling the whole thing off and BTW I'll step down as leader."

There'd be massive internal political turmoil as a NuKIP fired up and Lab/Cons continued to self-destruct but at least the turmoil would only be to those parties rather than taking the country down in the hope that they could all keep a few vocal hard leavers happy

[F-ZeroOne]

Its odd in it with conspiracy theories that you either believe in them all or none at all ? My sister believes Di was murdered, the towers were brought down by the fbi, ghosts,ufos and that all
Vaccines are poison .Oddly in this day and age of constant surveillance and cameras everywhere we don’t have hd video or audio of either ghosts or ufos....Has any conspiracy theory in the last 30 actually been proved ? FFS they can barely keep a me iPhone a secret....you got to laugh..

As far as conspiracy theories go, actual proof is the absolute last possible thing any conspiracy theorist actually wants. "The X-Files" was quite possibly more right than they ever intended with "I want to believe". Evidence is a detail that can simply be dismissed.

There have been the odd cases where real world events have edged a little bit close to the line - the US military really did have black helicopters, though equally they were also incredibly bad at keeping them covered up when they actually deployed them. The F-117 design came as a total surprise to almost all observers, who largely expected something rather different - but again, they only suspected that because they knew the US Air Force was working on a stealth project, despite it being one of the most highly classified US military programs ever (of course, the true conspiracy theorist will point out thats because the F-117 was just a cover for what they were really hiding at Groom Lake... ).

Thats all a bit off-topic though. If JRM is really suggesting that, well, "thats quite a turnaround" would be a bit of an understatement...

[tufty]

Has any conspiracy theory in the last 30 actually been proved ?

"The NSA (or other three letter agency) are reading your emails / tapping your phones / tracking where you go / tracking who you talk to"

[Rhythm]

"I want to believe".

If this is a Brexit thread shouldn't that be "I Want to Be-Leave"?

/coat

[Harlequin]

You have to love how the ardent Brexiteers are always like "Leave won and that's that, shut up and stop remoaning"
I guara-damn-TEE that if it was the other way round and Remain had won with the same narrow majority, UKIP and their ilk would have gone absolutely apeshit, demanded a recount, demanded a second referendum, they'd not just give up and say "oh well that's settled then we'll never mention it again". Please. Hypocrites, the lot of 'em

Is that not what Farage meant when he said it would not be over if the referendum had a 52/48 result?

[PFVA]

Conspiracy theory?

Yeahp.
Brexit is a way to destabilize the European Union economically, politically, and socially. People were manoevered thru the web to vote for Brexit.
Whos' behind it? A group or a country that can profit from the destabilized European Union. Russia? China? USA? Take your pick according your own preferences.

I added to it but i heard recently a (conservative) political expert on TV saying that both Brexit and Catalonian Independence were promoted thru the social networks to destabilize Europe.

Note: Here, Brexit is receiving a bit less attention because the river Tagus is at its lowest level in history, the irrigation chanels are dry, and it can actually be crossed by foot in some areas inland,. The Spanish are making the minimum discharges required by the agreement (done thru the EU) but it's pretty low there too, and if we don't get enough rain soon here or in Spain things are going to become very interesting specially when Summer arrives. Ow, and the fires already started too.

[snaff]

Meanwhile under the EU junta: https://news.yahoo.com/eu-backs-controv ... 2dvLmNvbS8

EU backs controversial copyright law ‘which could ban memes and destroy the internet’

The Copyright Directive, including Article 13, was approved by the European Parliament.

Antonio Tajani, the president of the European Parliament, said the vote would ‘put an end to the existing digital Wild West by establishing modern rules.’

Reacting to the vote in the European Parliament, Jim Killock, executive director of Open Rights Group said: ‘This is a very bad day for free expression, for copyright and democracy. Millions of people have voiced their opposition and thousands have protested against it.

Privacy activists have warned of the chilling implications of new adjustments to copyright law – claiming that it could allow a clampdown on DIY online culture.

Privacy group the Electronic Frontier Foundation posted a letter signed by 70 internet experts including inventor of the World Wide Web Tim Berners-Lee and Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wale warning of the dangers of the law.

The EFF letter said, ‘By requiring Internet platforms to perform automatic filtering all of the content that their users upload, Article 13 takes an unprecedented step towards the transformation of the Internet, from an open platform for sharing and innovation, into a tool for the automated surveillance and control of its users.’

[Little stoned kiwi]

Article 13

Yeah, right? That's just mental.

[Dio]

Make sure when blaming the EU for crappiness it's not actually shit that the UK government was in favour of - which, as I understand it, included Article 13.

[Cloudane]

How about they're both shite but at least we can change ours

I'm getting less Remoanery by the minute

[Rubisco]

Meh, the copyright arseholes didn't stop sampling in the 80s. Just drove it underground.

If this drives people away from shitty tech giant social media sites, and back on to forums like this it can only be a good thing.

[tufty]

at least we can change ours

No, "we" cant change "ours". All "we" can do is vote in a new bunch of arseholes in the vain hope they will do what's right and vote against rather than consolidating power. And as a member of the EU, we can vote in a new bunch of euro arseholes in the vain hope that *they* will do what's right and either vote against or use our opt-out rather than consolidating power.

But, like I say, it's a vain hope. Because consolidating power and kowtowing to the lobbies is what it's about.

[Harlequin]

In response to the petition, a debate on revoking Article 50 will apparently take place on April Fools Day.

How about they're both shite but at least we can change ours

How frequently are laws repealed or significantly changed in this country?