EU referendum are you in or out

[gilesgoat]

Won't this only be relevant to people in the UK viewing sites hosted in the UK?

No, it's relevant to people in UK wanting to watch pr0n in any site that is providing it in the UK ( if I understood correctly ) .

[Cloudane]

Will you guys have internet after Brexit?

So we can do what, see what a rat on a stick can sell for on eBay?

[Little stoned kiwi]

Won't this only be relevant to people in the UK viewing sites hosted in the UK?

No, it's relevant to people in UK wanting to watch pr0n in any site that is providing it in the UK ( if I understood correctly ) .

That's where I'm confused. It might be relevant to the people in the UK, being in the UK and under UK law...but every country outside of the UK is not subject to UK law.
The UK will have to block every site from their citizens that doesn't comply. Given how many sites and services have the potential to 'contain' pornography it's pretty much free reign to just block anything the powers that be like.

What about services hosted in the UK being viewed from overseas? Will I have to verify to view content http://www.welshgirlsgoneferal.co.uk and http://www.nessiesfromscotland.co.uk?

[tufty]

Not the latter, because Scotland's not gonna be part of the UK for much longer.

[Rubisco]

Not the latter, because Scotland's not gonna be part of the UK for much longer.

The Scottish government have already shown themselves to be more nannying than Westminster, I can't see them being in a hurry to repeal it upon independence.

[PFVA]

Maybe Trump will by the UK islands together with Greenland.

OK, i'll leave... no more bad jokes.

[KlaxonCow]

Don't worry about the porn too much. It's completely unworkable.

But, yes, UK law only applies in the UK's legal jurisdiction and they can't enforce anything on external countries.

Ergo, if you give the appearance of being in another country - proxy or VPN - then you'll sail right past the porn blocks. Heck, you might even be able to get away with just adding an "X-Proxy-For" header in your HTTP request with a non-UK IP address and, come on, are the porn sites - who are self-regulating this stuff - really going to be bothered to counter such little tricks with any effort?

(Put it this way, I know Viacom couldn't be arsed, as that's how I faked being from the US in order to view Daily Show clips. UK IP address but with the header saying "hey, I'm acting as a proxy for someone in the US here" and it let me through. In Viacom's case, I'm subverting their deal with Channel 4 to be the official guys broadcasting it in the UK - thus, jeopardising the cash they get paid for that - and they can't be bothered. So why would a porn site - that has no real interest in implementing any of these blocks at all, but is forced by UK law to do it - be any more bothered? Viacom's block is to make them money. Any porn site block is just to comply with UK law that risks them losing money. Their motivation to chase down all the little tricks to by-pass blocks is not merely less, it's negative.)

Then, on top of all that, Google and Mozilla (via their partner CloudFlare, who actually provides the DNS services) are moving forward with DNS-over-HTTPS. And, soon enough, they both plan to make this default in their respective browsers.

This will swing a wrecking ball through any such blocks - and invalidate the current ones, like ISPs agreeing to block Pirate Bay, for example - because your DNS queries go via Google or CloudFlare's DNS service - on a HTTPS connection, so ISPs cannot snoop into such queries to even know what you're looking for, much less alter the IP addresses returned - and that'll ruin the government's entire current strategy.

You could then only block by IP address directly. But that's problematic in numerous ways and easily defeated - someone sets up another IP address to just be an "alias" that passes on the packets to the real site. Sure, they could block those as well. But then they'd set up another one. Cat and mouse. And then you'd have to be respond to unblocking IP addresses later on, when they're no longer acting as proxies, or you're just slowly blocking off the entire Internet, an address at a time.

It's completely unworkable. Politicians never learn.

And, as a non-Abrahamist, I'm not convinced that there's any point whatsoever. Masturbation is good for you. Not repressing your sexual nature - as humans are sexual animals - is good for not harming your mental health.

Pre-pubescent kids cannot be made interested in sex, no matter what you do, as the hormones just aren't flowing. Post-pubescent kids - once those hormones are raging - are an irresistible force, and they'll happily do all the above to see some naked ladies and sex happening.

Censorship is not the solution. Well, first, you'd have to more clearly define what the actual problem is - that kids may discover the open secret that humans are a sexual species? - because "God wouldn't like it" really isn't a legitimate reason (that's like trying to ban every instance of someone revealing that Santa Claus doesn't exist from the entire Internet - yeah, good luck with that one). But assuming we have a genuine problem that requires solving, pretending like sex doesn't exist is a strategy doomed to complete failure, no matter what methods are employed. I mean, in a certain sense, thankfully so, as all of us exist in the first place because sex is a thing.

"Out of sight" might mean "out of mind", but it never means "out of existence" and, thus, "problem solved".

Telling a racist that they can't say the N word doesn't stop them thinking it. Doesn't stop them believing it. Doesn't even stop them saying it behind closed doors, amongst their fellow racists. No, in fact, you embolden them, as they then feel they are martyrs to their cause - that the "normies" just can't handle the truth.

Nah, you tackle a racist with education. You tackle kids getting the wrong idea about sex from porn, by making it clear that it's just fantasy and fiction - like Game of Thrones, where dragons don't actually exist for real - and some people have weird fetishes and stuff.

Deal with it in a healthy and frank way. Hiding the problem - pretending like it isn't there - ultimately solves nothing. Face your demons, in order to kill them.

Yeah, I know. No-one enjoys giving the sex talk to family members - we're instinctively disgusted in mixing the concept of sex and family together, quite deliberately so by evolution, as its main "block" on us engaging in incest - but that's the actual solution here.

Have the sex talk and sort it out in a direct, open and healthy manner. You know I'm right about that.

(By the way, teenage pregnancy has been in decline for a long while now. Because schools talk about this stuff. We're implementing an ever more draconian "solution" to a problem that's actually quite naturally dying a statistical death anyway?)

[gilesgoat]

Actually "I blame the current political situation, Brexit and all the rest for making me watch even more pr0n"

But it's kinda true, because you open the web browser to see news and all you see is shit over shit over shit and then you'd like to see "something positive/happy" so there you go, Trekkie Monster was right "in times of total uncertainty the only certainty is pr0n" also, of course, as we know, the internet IS for pr0n

Computers are crashing, electronics is getting a mess, youtubers are filling the voids there and there, online screamers, scandals all over the places, molesters on the streets, knives attacks everywhere, people are dying, bombs are flying, uncountable sexual harassment cases, me too, you too, them too, everybody too, pedophilia in all the places from churches to royals, secret societies, conspiracy theories that turn out to be more true than false, synthetic religions, cults that are not cults, holy and unholy wars, I speak of this, you speak of that, nobody should speak, nanny state censorship, civil indignation, rights of this, rights of that, no more left, right on the raise, populisms, sovranisms and funky hair cuts.

It's the end of times, only pr0n will save us, don't stop the pr0n !

[KlaxonCow]

[gilesgoat]

.. EXPLAIN me this ...

" New home secretary wants border restrictions imposed immediately on 31 October – despite warnings of people trapped in legal limbo.
Free movement for EU citizens will end on day one of a no-deal Brexit, under new Home Office plans – despite warnings of chaos and of people trapped in legal limbo.
Priti Patel, the new hardline home secretary, is pressing for border restrictions to be imposed immediately on 31 October, even though no replacement system is read"

What should EU say ? "THROW ALL THE BRITS OUT OF EUROPE" then ???!!??

This is crap ..

[gilesgoat]

.. EXPLAIN me this ...

" New home secretary wants border restrictions imposed immediately on 31 October – despite warnings of people trapped in legal limbo.
Free movement for EU citizens will end on day one of a no-deal Brexit, under new Home Office plans – despite warnings of chaos and of people trapped in legal limbo.
Priti Patel, the new hardline home secretary, is pressing for border restrictions to be imposed immediately on 31 October, even though no replacement system is read"

What should EU say ? "THROW ALL THE BRITS OUT OF EUROPE" then ???!!??

This is crap ..

[zip accident]

All of this shall end.

The tyranny that seems to be inbound? it will end. Whether in five years or ten thousand, it will end.

I agree with most of what Giles is saying, in the short term the outlook seems terrible. However, in the long term, nothing lasts forever (not even nothingless itself).

The government wants to read all of our mail and email, because the cops and spies want it, without considering that that means that crooks and enemy spies can read it all as well.

There are government viruses, so all the anti-virus programs fail to pick up the viruses that are government sponsored, and that means that any crooked virus that can spoof being government sponsored can also evade all anti-virus systems.

However, all of this non-sense will pass. There may, or may not be a period of fascist government in between, but eventually, there will be an end to the nonsense.

We need to get off this rock, it's a nice rock, but once we are off it, there will be no total central control ever again.

Some will be lost to nonsense, but there will always be escapees, once we are off this rock.

[merman]

Boris: we want a deal without the backstop


Really? What credible solution for the Irish border do you have then? Because that's why the backstop was part of the Withdrawal Agreement Theresa May negotiated (with the help of three different Brexit Secretaries).

[zip accident]

Boris: we want a deal without the backstop


Really? What credible solution for the Irish border do you have then? Because that's why the backstop was part of the Withdrawal Agreement Theresa May negotiated (with the help of three different Brexit Secretaries).

Who needs credible? Mad bombings all over Great Britain are an integral part of the Brexit plan, brings the prices down further for the foreign buyers who are the only intended beneficiaries.

[gilesgoat]

All of this shall end.

The tyranny that seems to be inbound? it will end. Whether in five years or ten thousand, it will end.

I agree with most of what Giles is saying, in the short term the outlook seems terrible. However, in the long term, nothing lasts forever (not even nothingless itself).

The government wants to read all of our mail and email, because the cops and spies want it, without considering that that means that crooks and enemy spies can read it all as well.

There are government viruses, so all the anti-virus programs fail to pick up the viruses that are government sponsored, and that means that any crooked virus that can spoof being government sponsored can also evade all anti-virus systems.

However, all of this non-sense will pass. There may, or may not be a period of fascist government in between, but eventually, there will be an end to the nonsense.

We need to get off this rock, it's a nice rock, but once we are off it, there will be no total central control ever again.

Some will be lost to nonsense, but there will always be escapees, once we are off this rock.

I don't know if this is optimism or pessimism or dark humour.

Yes .. even the Holocaust ended .. after millions of people died , they all had to die first before the shit was - KINDA - over.

KINDA .. because it seem "we are getting back to that", maybe it's in the nature of human things to repeat the same things over and over with light differences.

There has to be "the enemy", "the root cause of all evil" "someone to fight", "the problem" .. it's never "inside" it's always "someone/something external".

It's the bloody EU, it's the damned foreingers and all the rest.

"I can't complain too much" because the same is happening to an extent in Italy, even worse, and it's shit here and there and "wtf is one supposed to do when all the world is collapsing around him ?".

As I said "we are in times of war, it IS war the one we are living" .. yes .. destruction will come but it's not going to end until there's nothing more to destroy.

I hope in X years time we'll be still able to talk/discuss about things to be .. i.e. I hope we'll be still alive somewhere who knows where that "where" will be going to be or "how".