EU referendum are you in or out

[gilesgoat]

Will they give them a metallic blanket and a common loo ?

My fear is that after brexit there will be an "European hunt"
Going on, maybe I'll stay indoors and I'll avoid
To speak.

[snaff]

I'm glad you lefties are getting on the same page as us about the FEMA camps.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/1xKqoIQMGyRZ/

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Justice department can "neither conform nor deny" that they're planning internment camps for immigrants (or whoever): https://twitter.com/tomwills/status/1181528753400401920

...because it might make the government look bad. No shit.

Elsewhere, the Justice department has been buying up land in Wales:

https://jacothenorth.net/blog/wales-wit ... strangers/

(You'll need to scroll or read a fair bit to get to the conclusion and its supporting evidence).

It's well worth reading in detail the history of the rise of the far right in Germany, how the creep of popularism occurred, sweeping up the masses first with positive economic promises, pride, nationalism, and before you know it ..

Take the disturbing parallels of DWP with the T4 programme. The main criteria for T4 'mercy killings' was economic activity of the individual, the “burdensome lives” and “useless eaters." Much like DWP, T4 medical 'experts' reviewed forms, but did not read medical records. The transformation of physicians into killers took time and required the appearance of scientific justification. Initially people were killed by starvation. Authorities instructed institutions throughout the Reich to “neglect” their patients by withholding food and medical treatment. Pseudoscientific rationalizations were bolstered by economic considerations. Killing centres induced fear, in a similar fashion to assessment centres today, and the death of disabled citizens was the precursor the holocaust. The official conclusion of the T4 Program in 1941 coincided with the escalation of the Holocaust, the culmination of Nazi programs to eliminate those deemed an embarrassment, to the “master race.”

The total number killed under the T4 Program is estimated to have reached 200,000. A University College London in 2017 showed 200,000 "excess deaths" of Britons on the current trajectory by 2020, at the hands of the state. You will be told to take this evidence with caution, that whilst the reigning governments austerity policies on health and social care appear to be the cause, one is not encouraged to draw clear conclusions or speak about them in public.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 57306.html

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Further to the above....

Over 100 types of benefit bot are being created. 16 bots are being used to help communicate with claimants and process claims. Machine learning is also being used to try to detect fraud, meaning that claims could be refused without claimants or staff being aware how decisions were reached. For example, tests are underway to decide if machines can judge whether claims for childcare and housing costs are truthful.

DWP staff are also working, largely in secret, on creating “digital images” of claimants using information from a wide range of bodies, including private credit reference agencies, the police, the Valuation Office Agency, the Land Registry and the National Fraud Initiative.

Frank Field, chairman of the Commons work and pensions select committee, warned that vulnerable claimants “will be left at the mercy of online systems that, even now, leave all too many people teetering on the brink of destitution”. “We’ve already seen, in the gig economy, how workers are managed and sacked, not by people, but by algorithms,” he said. “Now the welfare state looks set to follow suit, with the ‘social’ human element being stripped away from ‘social security’.”

So you won't need to be asphyxiated by an SS officers in physician outfits, the modern route will be roboticised.

What's this got to do with the EU referendum? It's all part of the Tory master race "plan" of which Brexit is part..



https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2019/ ... its-spies/

[merman]

Nine years of austerity. No money for social care, cuts to the NHS and council budgets, benefits slashed and claimants made to feel like they don't deserve anything.

Brexit. Billions preparing for No Deal, hundreds of millions on the meaningless "Get Ready for Brexit" advertising campaign while thousands of businesses have been told nothing, and now another dodgy backroom deal offering the DUP billions for Northern Ireland if they back Boris.

This really is the worst idea ever. It's going to make the country poorer and isolate us internationally.

[snaff]

Nine years of austerity. No money for social care, cuts to the NHS and council budgets, benefits slashed and claimants made to feel like they don't deserve anything.

Is austerity even real or just something the tories say to try and get my vote? If they're giving away as much in bennies as Gordon Brown ever did who is complaining about it - are they just giving it to the wrong people or what?

Spoiler: show

Graph from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47623277

[zip accident]

Spoiler: show

Graph from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47623277

What the heck did you do to that spoilered graph? the one in the BBC article is fine, but the spoilered version is too big for my UHD screen, which is silly, because UHD is still rare.

The first thing to note about it is that it seems to be ignoring inflation. Secondly a lot of people were tossed off health benefits a while ago, but the amount spent doesn't reflect that, so that seems improbable.

[Cloudane]

Latest mental gymnastics I've heard from no-dealers is that they acknowledge the campaign said we'd leave with a good deal because "no deal IS a good deal, that's the best deal" and that we'll be in a stronger negotiating position when we crash out (yes really) because they won't have that 39bn but will desperately want to trade with us for some reason.

Bonkers the lot of them. Only consolation is a lot of the hard brexiteers around here are the thick working class racist types who will be hit the hardest

[zip accident]

A race war would be a horrible thing. There are too many people of non anglo-saxon stock now, mostly in cities. If it comes to blue-eyed blondes against the rest, there just aren't that many blondes, and not all of them are racists.

I don't think the Virgin Media PAYG fiasco is Brexit related, but there are going to be a lot of price rises, then wage cuts because sales are down, then price rises because sales are down. There won't be food shortages, just food price rises, but luxuries like computers and TVs will no longer be bought on the same scale they are now.

[snaff]

Spoiler: show

Graph from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47623277

What the heck did you do to that spoilered graph? the one in the BBC article is fine, but the spoilered version is too big for my UHD screen, which is silly, because UHD is still rare.

The first thing to note about it is that it seems to be ignoring inflation. Secondly a lot of people were tossed off health benefits a while ago, but the amount spent doesn't reflect that, so that seems improbable.

Not sure why the source image is so big, it's just what right click/view image in the article gives me.

Inflation does make the older part of the chart less meaningful but wouldn't change the last 10 austere years very much, at least if you use official inflation stats which is a whole other story.

I deliberately used a leftie web site for the source data so any bias there will be anti-tory.

[phattslagg]

How do you know when someone is batshit-crazy-level right wing? They refer to the BBC as a “leftie website”

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How do you know when someone is batshit-crazy-level right wing? They refer to the BBC as a “leftie website”

Some people troll, but the perception that the bbc is “leftie” is widespread. Worse, that the bbc is a Marxist metropolitan elite liberal project. That’s a belief particularly among Brexit supporters.
https://twitter.com/leaveeuofficial/sta ... 0890112?s= https://biasedbbc.org/

That is despite the board being mostly Tory appointments, and plenty of evidence that they are if anything a government mouthpiece, status quo enabler and worse, publisher of propaganda.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... ate-labour

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/ass ... alysis.pdf

https://vimeo.com/323666009

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05- ... bout-syria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8bIupYSZeU

[Dio]

The BBC's big failing is that it got so insanely obsessed with 'balance' it doesn't really challenge bollocks coming from anyone, left or right. Partly for good reason of course because of the war that was declared upon it by certain other actors.

Anyone can cherry-pick articles that show bias because of that.

It has got a little better in the last couple of years since it realised how much it fucked up over climate change and Brexit (to a lesser extent, but particularly it was a big enabler for UKIP's rise in the pre-referendum years, the lack of at-the-time awareness of its free pass for Farage's factual disassociation in particular stands out).

[Rhythm]

The Beeb straddles the line between left and right but never on the same programme, so it gets to be hated by both sides.

So to lefties Question Time, Laura K and John Humphries appear horrifically right-wing, and to right-wingers everything feels "leftie" because the Beeb appears to pander to diversity and all the comedy panel shows are usually filled with Left-leaning comedians (something the News Quiz has countered by having at least one overt right-winger in the panel each week).

To people who are sat back trying to be less reactionary, the main issue appears to be a lack of true journalistic integrity. This shows up in the "balance" point mentioned earlier, where equal air time is given to the sole loonies who shout the loudest, and in the fact that they simply don't challenge most points raised. This is an example. BBC allowed a right wing politician to spout unchallenged bullshit and instead of querying it there and then they correct the statement later on a minor Twitter feed. They've fulfilled their remit but left no-one informed.

Compare to the likes of Ch4 News, where Krishnan will appropriately try to pull apart statements made.

[PFVA]

Is it going to be over now?

Will the new deal be accepted?