EU referendum are you in or out

[Absolute_Zero]

Which seems like nothing more than time-wasting then

Not entirely. Look at it from the POV of hard Brexiteers, if you can. Having tried and failed --through an additional GE-- to get a deal through, they'd have less to complain about if we have to resort to ref 2. Put plainly, less chance of civil disorder.

[tufty]

Put plainly, less chance of civil disorder.

There won't be civil disorder, at least not from the brexiters. Less people turned out for Farage's pro-Brexit pub crawl than went to the Flat Earth Convention in Birmingham, and they didn't stay for long.

[(o)(o)]

Corbyn backing election.

I have consistently said that we are ready for an election and our support is subject to no-deal Brexit being off the table.

We have now heard from the EU that the extension of article 50 to 31st January has been confirmed, so for the next three months, our condition of taking no deal off the table has now been met.

We will now launch the most ambitious and radical campaign for real change our country has ever seen.

IT'S ON!

[Absolute_Zero]

HAHAHAHA - and magically, it's all okay... Jez has spoken.

[(o)(o)]

HAHAHAHA - and magically, it's all okay... Jez has spoken.

No it's a fucking nightmare.

Tories can get it over the line with LibDem and SNP support. Who we can thank if No Deal happens or further decline of Britain possbily end of the Union.

Labour had no choice.

Will your giggling continue if we see a Tory/Brexit or Tory/LibDem gov?

Several ppl on the forum I know are enduring the brunt end of Tory austerity I'm concerned for their welfare.

[phattslagg]

Giggling? AZ will be jumping for joy if we get another Tory govt.

The sad thing is that many decent people have become so obsessed with Remain that they will vote Lib Dem in Tory/Lab marginals, and we’ll probably end up with Boris fucking Johnson not only PM for 5 years, but with a sizeable majority to boot. Anyone who thinks that’s preferable to Labour right now can get in the sea, as far as I’m concerned.

[VNVObit]

HAHAHAHA - and magically, it's all okay... Jez has spoken.

No it's a fucking nightmare.

Tories can get it over the line with LibDem and SNP support. Who we can thank if No Deal happens or further decline of Britain possbily end of the Union.

Labour had no choice.

Will your giggling continue if we see a Tory/Brexit or Tory/LibDem gov?

Several ppl on the forum I know are enduring the brunt end of Tory austerity I'm concerned for their welfare.

In part Labour are their own worst enemy, not because of the infighting but their inability to play nicely with others. If they really want to stop the Tories then they need to ally themselves with others and reduce anti-tory splits. Sadly that is just a step to far as it all falls down on Jez and his lack of appeal beyond his supporters.

While I agree that policies should be more important the sad fact of the matter personality of the leader also counts. Johnson is a self interested opportunist who's one nation tory facade has fallen off and Corbyn is an intransigent ideologue that isn't decisive enough when needed (anti-semitism row) and not convinced he is that principled (given his 3 different Brexit stances in quick succession).

Neither of them is an appealing leader or PM to anyone near the centre ground (would classify myself as centre-left) and sadly that counts for something these days.

As for Lib Dems - they seem to be careering all over the shop at the moment

[Absolute_Zero]

Giggling? AZ will be jumping for joy if we get another Tory govt.

Hung is most likely, followed by a ref 2. IMO

[VNVObit]

Giggling? AZ will be jumping for joy if we get another Tory govt.

Hung is most likely, followed by a ref 2. IMO

would agree

best description so far

John Bull
@garius
HUNG PARLIAMENT RESULTS:

- Boris tries to bribe DUP into confidence & supply. Arlene says get fucked.
- Jezza tries to bribe LIB into c&s. Jo says get fucked.
- Jezza tries to bribe SNP into c&s. Nicola says get fucked without IndyRef2

We have to ask EU for ext for Feb election

https://twitter.com/garius/status/11891 ... 19330?s=20

[gilesgoat]

... I understand less and less about what's going on, what they want, what people wants ... it's very confusing ...

[(o)(o)]

In part Labour are their own worst enemy, not because of the infighting but their inability to play nicely with others.

Just yesterday Swinson was asked by a Labour MP in HoC if she would work with Labour.

SNP had already said they would.

Jo Swinson turned it down.

I notice from the wild predictions above - Brexit Party not even getting a mention, nor Swinson losing her seat. Hardly gives confidence in the analysis.

[phattslagg]

Swinson will form coalition with Johnson.

[(o)(o)]

Swinson will form coalition with Johnson.

"Davey said the party would be willing to work with the Conservatives again. “Let’s remember we had a coalition with [the Tories],” he said." <-link

[phattslagg]

They’re natural bedfellows, and the idea that a change of Labour’s leadership would sway them is nonsense when you consider they have *always* said they could only work with us if it wasn’t for... whoever happened to be leader at the time.

[Rhythm]

Christ. After pissing and moaning about Labour putting excessive conditions on the prospect of allowing Tories to call a general election, Tories are now playing the same game.

Amendment was made earlier today to allow MPs to raise conditions (Tories had locked this option out). 2 key changes raised are options to open GE voting to 16 & 17 year olds, and to EU nationals. Both look likely to pass, but both have been declared red lines by Tories and if they pass, the Tories are going to pull option of GE altogether

Children, the lot of them