EU referendum are you in or out

[VNVObit]

[quote=tufty]
Labour will haemorrhage pro-Brexit voters to Farage, and the anti-Brexit voters outside of England to the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Sinn Féin. [/quote]

NI is more likely to vote along sectarian lines though outside chance the moderates (both traditions) could enable a break from traditional sectarian voting (we can but hope)

[(o)(o)]

Party with the largest vote share gets first crack at forming government in a hung parliament …

Really? I thought it was the party with the largest number of seats.

Sorry yes - seats - and I was looking at scenarios from here too... mind gone to mush, migraine !!

https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/ele ... arliament/

[Harlequin]

Party with the largest vote share gets first crack at forming government in a hung parliament …

Really? I thought it was the party with the largest number of seats.

Sorry yes - seats - and I was looking at scenarios from here too... mind gone to mush, migraine !!
https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/ele ... arliament/

Ah, yes. The previous Government has first dibs. I had forgotten that Labour had attempted and failed to form a coalition with the LibDems in 2010 before Brown resigned.

[merman]

This election doesn't solve Brexit.

Voting the Tories back in and letting them pass Johnson's bastard offspring of Theresa May's Withdrawal Bill doesn't solve Brexit either. That's just the ticket to let us leave, we then have to negotiate a new trade agreement with the EU and somehow replace the billions that being part of the EU gave us.

Vote tactically people. Get the Tories out.

[(o)(o)]

As far as most of us remoaners are concerned, Labour are a pro Brexit party led by an anti-europe fanatic.

Is that true to your personal opinion?

[gilesgoat]

As far as most of us remoaners are concerned, Labour are a pro Brexit party led by an anti-europe fanatic.

Is that true to your personal opinion?

Well I think it's fair to say that Corbyn ( for reasons I'd like to know ) appears to be quite an anti-europe as well ( but why ? ) .

[Absolute_Zero]

As far as most of us remoaners are concerned, Labour are a pro Brexit party led by an anti-europe fanatic.

Is that true to your personal opinion?

Well I think it's fair to say that Corbyn ( for reasons I'd like to know ) appears to be quite an anti-europe as well ( but why ? ) .

Reduced to a sentence: political-lifelong Bennite (Tony Benn, Hilary's father) - the EU is an undemocratic capitalist stitch-up that operates state-aid limits on nationalisation.

Nowadays, he has to pretend otherwise... or that these aspects can be reformed.

[gilesgoat]

As far as most of us remoaners are concerned, Labour are a pro Brexit party led by an anti-europe fanatic.

Is that true to your personal opinion?

Well I think it's fair to say that Corbyn ( for reasons I'd like to know ) appears to be quite an anti-europe as well ( but why ? ) .

Reduced to a sentence: political-lifelong Bennite (Tony Benn, Hilary's father) - the EU is an undemocratic capitalist stitch-up that operates state-aid limits on nationalisation.

Nowadays, he has to pretend otherwise... or that these aspects can be reformed.

So you see you can't vote for Corbyn then ...

[Absolute_Zero]

So you see you can't vote for Corbyn then ...

Perhaps surprisingly, I wouldn't say that.

I'd just say that he's compromised his supposed integrity and deeply-held beliefs in a bid for power. AKA a politician, not the beloved Jesus Corbyn of the credulous and naive.

[gilesgoat]

So you see you can't vote for Corbyn then ...

Perhaps surprisingly, I wouldn't say that.

I'd just say that he's compromised his supposed integrity and deeply-held beliefs in a bid for power. AKA a politician, not the beloved Jesus Corbyn of the credulous and naive.

But the problem remains, from one point of view at least 'there's no opposition' between a brexit and non-brexit.

So you don't want a brexit you don't have any choice.

[Absolute_Zero]

So you see you can't vote for Corbyn then ...

Perhaps surprisingly, I wouldn't say that.

I'd just say that he's compromised his supposed integrity and deeply-held beliefs in a bid for power. AKA a politician, not the beloved Jesus Corbyn of the credulous and naive.

But the problem remains, from one point of view at least 'there's no opposition' between a brexit and non-brexit.

So you don't want a brexit you don't have any choice.

Sure you do, he'll swallow his private beliefs/hopes and deliver remain if...

1) He wins a majority (unlikely)
2) The public rejects whatever deal he negotiates in a referendum

Ideally he'd hope to inherit the smoking ruins of a Tory no-deal. It's easier to reshape everything if everything is broken. But Boris doesn't *really* want a no-deal, unless he has no other options. Art of the possible.

[zip accident]

So you see you can't vote for Corbyn then ...

Perhaps surprisingly, I wouldn't say that.

I'd just say that he's compromised his supposed integrity and deeply-held beliefs in a bid for power. AKA a politician, not the beloved Jesus Corbyn of the credulous and naive.

But the problem remains, from one point of view at least 'there's no opposition' between a brexit and non-brexit.

So you don't want a brexit you don't have any choice.

The Liberal Democrats are anti-Brexit, the Green party are anti-Brexit, they will probably both be on the ballot papers in your area, if you have a vote.

[Cloudane]

I expect the morning of 13th December onwards to be filled with talk of conflicting "red lines" between parties about whether or not they'll accept a second referendum, or the contents thereof, or the type of Brexit they want, as they try to scrape together a coalition / minority government.

Unless the Labour campaign is as amazing and radical as they claim it's going to be, I really can't see them getting a majority!

Then there are some on reddit who seem to think the Lib Dems could get in... lol.... if that happens I'll be on the lookout for a replacement for Woolworths to go and bare my arse out of.

[gravy]

Cons are fucked if they don't get a clear majority because there's not a lot of options for them to forge a coalition or supply and demand

I think the SNP and LD's inevitable boost and a threat from the brexit party may mean they may get fewer seats even if the number of votes they receive doesn't change much

[phattslagg]

The tories have to go.

And if Labour do get in, there’s actually a very good chance that Brexit will he stopped, as we are committed to a confirmatory vote on whatever deal is negotiated.

Voting anything but Labour in a Tory/Lab marginal will ensure a Tory majority.