EU referendum are you in or out

[Harlequin]

[kel]

i love europe and i'm sure we can still keep on good footing with them, but out, a change is always beneficial.

[k345y]

i love europe and i'm sure we can still keep on good footing with them, but out, a change is always beneficial.

How?

[tufty]

a change is always beneficial.

No it isn't.

[kel]

yes it is.

[gravy]

Well that's me all turned around on the matter!

[kel]

i don't know politics


OUT!

[pogo]

i love europe and i'm sure we can still keep on good footing with them, but out, a change is always beneficial.

Beneficial how? One consequence of an out vote, if you love Europe, is it will become more expensive to enjoy it if the pound falls subsequently. If Brexit supporters get their way and use Brexit to limit EU citizens coming here, it will become harder for us to visit Europe, with visas, perhaps even limits (if they are imposed here).

But that’s a minor detail compared to the economic damage, the millions of job losses, the fall in GDP and in government revenues which will require cuts in spending hitting the most vulnerable.

[Cloudane]

An actual level headed, objective opinion! Good stuff. Very good video, thanks, brings me back off the fence onto the remain side again

[Whiteball]

No one can say what will happen and whatever does hapen we will never know if it was the right or wrong choice as we will have nothiung to compare it to (as the opposite, in or out, didn't happen).

It will take probably 10 to 20 years before any real positives or negatives could be known in any meaningful way.

For sure, anything good will be because we remained, while anything bad will be because we exited etc, etc....

[Rubisco]

Why you should vote leave tomorrow ...

I don't think I have met anyone who does not think the official campaigns have been woeful. The Leave campaign has been obstinate, fact free, disorganised and in recent weeks has degenerated to being Ukip on steroids. The Remain campaign has been devious, amoral, condescending and untruthful.

Were this an election you would abstain. But it isn't an election. And though the issues are many and complex, the question could not be clearer. Do you want Britain to be a subordinate of a supreme government for Europe?

... unless you're happy for Britain to be a subordinate of a supreme government for Europe?

From http://peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2016/ ... se-if.html

Truthfully I couldn't give a fuck. I don't identify our Westminster government as "Britain", so them being subordinate to Europe does not equate to "us" being subordinate to Europe.

If leaving the EU meant we were going to have the perfect representative system of government then I would vote leave, but we're not, we're going to have unilateral power in the hands of whichever of our choice of 2 rancid institutions which benefit from our first-past-the-post electoral system happens to hold the reins in any given 5-year period.

I'm tempted to vote leave just because it would shake a shitty situation up a bit, but I'm genuinely fearful about what the government would get up to if it were left unchecked, and I have more than a little impulse to vote stay simply to spite those who would place their loyalty and faith in the utter cunts just because they're our cunts.

[VNVObit]

No one can say what will happen and whatever does hapen we will never know if it was the right or wrong choice as we will have nothiung to compare it to (as the opposite, in or out, didn't happen).

It will take probably 10 to 20 years before any real positives or negatives could be known in any meaningful way.

For sure, anything good will be because we remained, while anything bad will be because we exited etc, etc....

We can say that customs will be reinstated and therefore there will be VAT payable at point of entry (irrespective of what if any tariffs are agreed) which will have an impact on the cash flow of businesses which import goods from Europe (there's no change for non EU imports)
That will lead to higher costs (increased holding costs, etc.)

[snaff]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/europes-robo ... tml?ref=gs

Europe's growing army of robot workers could be classed as "electronic persons" and their owners liable to paying social security for them if the European Union adopts a draft plan to address the realities of a new industrial revolution.

Robots are being deployed in ever-greater numbers in factories and also taking on tasks such as personal care or surgery, raising fears over unemployment, wealth inequality and alienation.

Remain, and they will come for your robots next.

[gravy]

No one can say what will happen and whatever does hapen we will never know if it was the right or wrong choice as we will have nothiung to compare it to (as the opposite, in or out, didn't happen).

It will take probably 10 to 20 years before any real positives or negatives could be known in any meaningful way.

For sure, anything good will be because we remained, while anything bad will be because we exited etc, etc....

We can say that customs will be reinstated and therefore there will be VAT payable at point of entry (irrespective of what if any tariffs are agreed) which will have an impact on the cash flow of businesses which import goods from Europe (there's no change for non EU imports)
That will lead to higher costs (increased holding costs, etc.)

And it's a fair bet if we're doing an overarching trade deal with the EU they'll have the upper hand in negotiations and will be loathe to agree to anything that would make leaving look attractive to any other members.

[pogo]

Definitely. The deal on offer will basically be one like Norway has, which basically means we accept almost all EU rules and regulations, including free movement of people, and still pay into the EU budget. I.e. we will end up in pretty much the same situation as now, except worse off as we will no longer have any say over the rules of the EU. Plus we will suffer the economic damage due to the uncertainty while this is resolved.

Or we will be outside the EU’s Internal Market. We will still be able to trade but subject to the tariffs, bans and constraints the EU imposes. In particular although goods would flow fairly unrestrictedly services would be highly restricted. Our banks, financial services would have no right to operate in Europe. A lot of business based here would have to shift some or all of their operations into the EU. The city in particular would largely lose its role as the financial capital of Europe.