EU referendum are you in or out

[tufty]

Give it time. All new movements take time, and need a leader. It's like Grunge, or Britpop. The UK is Nirvana, or Oasis, or something. After a while, the rest of the world will get envious and deliberately torpedo their own economies, just to be like the UK.

[rowan]

Implementing Northern Ireland Protocol at work is, umm, keeping us busy.

We had a whole load of stop-start rollercoaster for Brexit itself, drawn out over the best part of a couple of years.
Now we're trying desperately to avoid another 3 month project for frigging NIP!

And all for a tiny amount of business. It actually looked mildly significant until the penny dropped that the Centres of Excellence^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hrement that do customer creation [based in other countries/continents] have erroneously set up a load of London customers in Londonderry.


About the only thing I'm thankful for is that they didn't change the fucking withdrawal date AGAIN because the amount of merry hell they have played with our planning makes Guido Fawkes seem like he had the right idea.

[merman]

Implementing Northern Ireland Protocol at work is, umm, keeping us busy.

We had a whole load of stop-start rollercoaster for Brexit itself, drawn out over the best part of a couple of years.
Now we're trying desperately to avoid another 3 month project for frigging NIP!

And all for a tiny amount of business. It actually looked mildly significant until the penny dropped that the Centres of Excellence^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hrement that do customer creation [based in other countries/continents] have erroneously set up a load of London customers in Londonderry.


About the only thing I'm thankful for is that they didn't change the fucking withdrawal date AGAIN because the amount of merry hell they have played with our planning makes Guido Fawkes seem like he had the right idea.

Or, you know, the Tories could have accepted the sensible and reasonable offer from the EU back in June to extend transition by two years - allowing businesses ample time to plan and prepare.

[Deckard]

So a complete win with the EU and our fishing rights I see ? ... more lies from Boris back in day...

https://www.independent.co.uk/independe ... 87389.html

[gilesgoat]

So a complete win with the EU and our fishing rights I see ? ... more lies from Boris back in day...

https://www.independent.co.uk/independe ... 87389.html

I would dare to say "they were not prepared for the new paperwork ?" BUT .. reality is "nobody knew anything what was goign to happen until the very last moment !".

And we still don't know well what's going to happen !

[Harlequin]

I would dare to say "they were not prepared for the new paperwork ?" BUT .. reality is "nobody knew anything what was goign to happen until the very last moment !".

If only we had had a time period, say of around eleven months, that we could have used to gradually implement everything instead of endlessly haggling over the small print.

[rowan]

Think I said it before but it was always going to come down to the last moments and then get pushed a bit further.
If not either side would feel they've capitulated.

[KlaxonCow]

Don't worry. Jacob Rees-Mogg assures us that the fish are happy because they're British.

[Foozwah]

Don't worry. Jacob Rees-Mogg assures us that the fish are happy because they're British.

They really are taking the piss.

[skab]

Of course "British fish" are happier. Very soon there'll be no one left to catch them anymore. Happy days indeed.

[tufty]

And here, as seen on faceache marketplace, is the machine which could have saved all the problems. Which could have saved us from Brexit.

[merman]

So, if the fish swim in British waters they become British and happier?

But if refugees flee thousands of miles from their home country - because of war and economic hardship caused by the West - and try to cross the Channel, they are NOT British and Priti Patel turns the gunboats on them.

[skab]

So, if the fish swim in British waters they become British and happier?

But if refugees flee thousands of miles from their home country - because of war and economic hardship caused by the West - and try to cross the Channel, they are NOT British and Priti Patel turns the gunboats on them.

"Refugee and chips" hasn't the same ring and tastes too much like chicken.

[gilesgoat]

So, if the fish swim in British waters they become British and happier?

But if refugees flee thousands of miles from their home country - because of war and economic hardship caused by the West - and try to cross the Channel, they are NOT British and Priti Patel turns the gunboats on them.

"Refugee and chips" hasn't the same ring and tastes too much like chicken.

NOT approving the thing of course BUT "there's a thin legal point", if "running away from poverty" ( let's forget for a moment "caused by the West" ) grants you a state of "refugee".

And I think ( at least according to some countries ) "technically no" and I am not sure you are entiled to asylum for that.

It would make you "an immigrant looking for a better life" but still "an illegal one" and not automatically granted asylum.

Now if you escape from WAR/political persecution, that IS "refugee" but still, technically, "pending evaluation" of your state of refugee.

Or at least so it's how I understood the story works in Italy.

Yes if your <whatever> is capsizing/etc. you are about to die at the sea YOU MUST be rescued "for tons of other laws" does not automagically means that "once you are safe/out of the sea" you are automatically granted right to asylum, that's all another story.

Shooting at the boats on the sea NO, leave them sink NO, leave people die of starvation NO.

But "once things are sorted let's start checking better about the rest" that's "a must" too.

Trust me "you saw just absolutely nothing", the amount of boats/immigrations/immigrants/attempted immigrants/whatever you are seeing in UK is SO MINISCULE "does not make a blip" on the scale of what some other countries, like Italy for example, sees every day.

You still have to learn to deal with all this.

[merman]

So, if the fish swim in British waters they become British and happier?

But if refugees flee thousands of miles from their home country - because of war and economic hardship caused by the West - and try to cross the Channel, they are NOT British and Priti Patel turns the gunboats on them.

"Refugee and chips" hasn't the same ring and tastes too much like chicken.

NOT approving the thing of course BUT "there's a thin legal point", if "running away from poverty" ( let's forget for a moment "caused by the West" ) grants you a state of "refugee".

And I think ( at least according to some countries ) "technically no" and I am not sure you are entiled to asylum for that.

It would make you "an immigrant looking for a better life" but still "an illegal one" and not automatically granted asylum.

Now if you escape from WAR/political persecution, that IS "refugee" but still, technically, "pending evaluation" of your state of refugee.

Or at least so it's how I understood the story works in Italy.

Yes if your <whatever> is capsizing/etc. you are about to die at the sea YOU MUST be rescued "for tons of other laws" does not automagically means that "once you are safe/out of the sea" you are automatically granted right to asylum, that's all another story.

Shooting at the boats on the sea NO, leave them sink NO, leave people die of starvation NO.

But "once things are sorted let's start checking better about the rest" that's "a must" too.

Trust me "you saw just absolutely nothing", the amount of boats/immigrations/immigrants/attempted immigrants/whatever you are seeing in UK is SO MINISCULE "does not make a blip" on the scale of what some other countries, like Italy for example, sees every day.

You still have to learn to deal with all this.

Seeking asylum itself is not illegal. And despite what many would have you believe, you do NOT have to claim asylum in the first country you reach.

Let’s look at one example. Syrian migrants, bombed out of their homes by their own regime and the Western powers (including Russia). Many of them are middle-class professionals, doctors, lawyers, teachers. They cannot make a living in their own country, especially if they hold political views the leaders do not like.

They risk it all to get to France, and then England because they have relatives here.
THEY ARE REFUGEES WHO DESERVE ASYLUM AND WILL CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY.

But right now we have a Home Secretary telling the Royal Navy to send out armed ships and set up nets to stop refugees - and she is making a powerplay for the top job of Prime Minister.