Windows 11 - Can't choose correct resolution

[BuckoA51]

I had an hour to kill yesterday and decided to go back to Tempest 4000 only to find the game won't let me choose any useful screen resolutions. The maximum resolution it will let me choose is 1280x1024 despite having a 4k LG TV attached to my PC. My desktop resolution is set to 4k but even so the game won't offer that in its startup menu.

I don't know if this is a Windows 11 issue or just something that can happen, because people have reported it on Steam threads but never found a fix:-

https://steamcommunity.com/app/688140/d ... 364098880/

I know this isn't the support forum for the game but the link seems dead. Is there any fix/workaround for this problem?

[gilesgoat]

Hi,

I just saw this, for completeness I replied in the Steam thread as well ..

Here is what I wrote :

Hi,
I just saw this in the YY forum ( is it you ,,a51 ? ) ..

I just tried lauching T4K from Steam from this very PC, that has WIN10 and a GTX1070 and shows all the possible resolutions ( including 4K ) , at the moment we have only one Tablet PC running WIN11 but can't handle 4K for sure so I can't make a test there.

Also just recently I restarted working on Steam after an "hiatus" I had troubles in getting all back in ( maybe it's was too long I wasn't using it ? ) cause "Steam security issues" I don't know what the heck they wanted ( in the end they sorted it out ) they just did not let me to log in ..

Anyway back to the problem "at the moment I have no idea" possibly "soon" we'll upgrade "a better machine to Win11" so we'll be able to test.

Also "for new things I am working on atm" I am planing to totally ditch/remove that "PC startup thing" and make it all start "in graphic mode" and have the options all controllable/selectable from there.

.. HOWEVER .. "I am already having BIG discussions" ( with some other people/etc. ) about video modes .. when I say "fullscreen video mode" I mean "a REAL video mode", I mean you want "1024x768" I am going to switch your GPU to output a video signal like that and I get "full control" of the display.

I mean "suppose you want to output to a DLP projector and you NEED let's say 1920x1080" you WANT "a fullscreen 1920x1080" NOT "something at resolution <whatever> stretched at 1920x1080".

So in essence I am "NOT" inclined to call "fullscreen" what some people calls "borderless window" .. because also suppose your desktop is 1920x1080 and they you say "Oh I'd like to go 4K ?" .. unless I switch to the REAL 4K video mode you tell me "how could I possibly do any borderless window bigger than 1920x1080 ?" ..

I can only make "anything smaller than that and it's a stretched window".

Anyway .. back to the topic .. at the moment "I have no idea why that happens", unless maybe your video card has "a ton and a half of video modes" I ran out of "space" to fill up my "list" ( that at the moment can't remember the logic but has a bit of a complex 'filtering logic' to avoid to display 400 or so different display modes ) ..

For future releases I plan to simplify/change all this but just saying for the moment I am NOT inclined to use "borderless windows" and call them "fullscreen"

Cheers.

[gilesgoat]

I had an hour to kill yesterday and decided to go back to Tempest 4000 only to find the game won't let me choose any useful screen resolutions. The maximum resolution it will let me choose is 1280x1024 despite having a 4k LG TV attached to my PC. My desktop resolution is set to 4k but even so the game won't offer that in its startup menu.

I don't know if this is a Windows 11 issue or just something that can happen, because people have reported it on Steam threads but never found a fix:-

https://steamcommunity.com/app/688140/d ... 364098880/

I know this isn't the support forum for the game but the link seems dead. Is there any fix/workaround for this problem?

QUESTIONS :

- is that HDMI 1.4 / 2.0 ? something else ?

- is that LG tv your PRIMARY or SECONDARY monitor ?

- what video card ?

Suggestions :

- TRY setting that LG tv as your PRIMARY monitor

- See if anything changes

Note : the case "multi monitor support" could be .. "not so well supported" .. I haven't much tested/etc. what happens if you have > 1 monitors as you probably noted there's no way to say/tell nor "use >1 monitors" nor "output on a different monitor than primary one".

[BuckoA51]

Thank you for getting back to me Giles I appreciate it.

"- is that HDMI 1.4 / 2.0 ? something else ?" HDMI 2.1 with VRR enabled.

"- is that LG tv your PRIMARY or SECONDARY monitor ?" - Primary monitor, I do have a secondary hooked up but not used. Disabling it makes no difference.

"- what video card ?" Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 Driver version 516.59

Suggestions :

"- TRY setting that LG tv as your PRIMARY monitor

- See if anything changes" - Nothing changes.

t4k-issue by videogameperfection, on Flickr

[gilesgoat]

Thank you for getting back to me Giles I appreciate it.

"- is that HDMI 1.4 / 2.0 ? something else ?" HDMI 2.1 with VRR enabled.

"- is that LG tv your PRIMARY or SECONDARY monitor ?" - Primary monitor, I do have a secondary hooked up but not used. Disabling it makes no difference.

"- what video card ?" Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 Driver version 516.59

Suggestions :

"- TRY setting that LG tv as your PRIMARY monitor

- See if anything changes" - Nothing changes.

t4k-issue by videogameperfection, on Flickr

.. AHEM .. ... I cannot find that particular code any more .. still looking ( where on heck I put that thing ? ) ...

[BuckoA51]

No sweat I'm not going to ask for a refund or anything, I mean the game did work for me at some point, that's PC gaming for you I guess

[gilesgoat]

No sweat I'm not going to ask for a refund or anything, I mean the game did work for me at some point, that's PC gaming for you I guess

I only would say, from my personal experience, but I HAVE NOT tried WIN11 and my PC apparently CANNOT run it ..

BUT "from all I've seen so far" Windows in general NEVER EVER been able to handle >1 display correctly .. there's ALWAYS something NOT going the way you THINK it should be going ..

I remember Pharelia was the only graphic card I know of that was capable to handle >1 monitors seen as "a single monitor with big resolution".

Anyway we'll see what happens with the NEW game I am TRYING "a different approach" .. fact it all this "monitors and resolution story" is REALLY BADLY documented/explained/etc ..

Maybe Dio knows better ...

[BuckoA51]

You'd think that disabling any other monitors would be enough. Next time there's an Nvidia driver update I'll choose the "clean install" option, that resets any custom resolutions etc see if that helps at all.

If it's just the TPM requirements blocking you installing Win 11 btw, this might help - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/06 ... -and-more/

[gilesgoat]

You'd think that disabling any other monitors would be enough. Next time there's an Nvidia driver update I'll choose the "clean install" option, that resets any custom resolutions etc see if that helps at all.

If it's just the TPM requirements blocking you installing Win 11 btw, this might help - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/06 ... -and-more/

No I think I really don't have "enough CPU"/requirements to install WIN11, anyway at this point I'd NEVER do it on this machine that I lost count how many SDKs "of everything" and stuff has on, I would NOT dare to have this system not working "becuase I upgraded it".

A NEW PC is "on the line" so maybe when I'll get the new one.

[edit] - you see this is part of the problem "of computers in general" .. it's "a balancing act" between "upgrades" and "something that works just fine".

Yes THEORECTICALLY "upgrades" give you "something new that SHOULD be better than before" BUT .. when you have a system that PERFECTLY does its job and it will PERFECTLY continue to do it for quite some long time .. then like in your case "getting an upgrade that screws up something" is the last thing you want.

Also .. I still have to find "a better use" for a still quite powerful PC that now is "kinda idle" because a newer one got its place ..

You end up with so much "electronic forced waste" with all this trend of "buy new/upgrade" ..

IMHO they could have perfectly done WIN11 on this same PC generation and maybe even older .. I don't know .. to be honest it already got the point "I CANNOT SEE" big/real improvements in OSes for "home machines".

UNLESS by "improvements" someone consider things like "comes with FB and/or TikTok integrated in the system and/or Alexa/Cortana that reminds me to shit in the morning and/or integrated Pr0nHub or such" .. in that case "I'll stop buying PCs" ..

[BuckoA51]

There was a driver update today but I foolishly forgot to hit the checkbox for clean upgrade, sorry. Still the same issue after the new driver was installed. I'll try to remember next time.

As for Windows 11 apart from a few things moved round I can't tell much of a difference. I mainly upgraded to try the AutoHDR stuff.

Before we moved to Ireland my folks had a 10 year old PC that used to be a gaming machine of mine, it still did everything they needed and was only upgraded because an Intel NUC took up less space. It would still be going strong today had we stayed in the UK... there's definitely something to say for "if it ain't broke, don't upgrade it".

[gilesgoat]

There was a driver update today but I foolishly forgot to hit the checkbox for clean upgrade, sorry. Still the same issue after the new driver was installed. I'll try to remember next time.

As for Windows 11 apart from a few things moved round I can't tell much of a difference. I mainly upgraded to try the AutoHDR stuff.

Before we moved to Ireland my folks had a 10 year old PC that used to be a gaming machine of mine, it still did everything they needed and was only upgraded because an Intel NUC took up less space. It would still be going strong today had we stayed in the UK... there's definitely something to say for "if it ain't broke, don't upgrade it".

The NEW stuff we are working on it won't have these problem any more "guaranteed to work in any case (*)".

Now retro-fitting all this into that well .. "at the moment I have *SO* much work on my hands I can't do it" .. well .. also "well IF they'd ask/pay me to do it" ..

(*) we are still testing.

[BuckoA51]

Thanks Giles, I left a donation through the Llamasoft website as a thank you for this.

[Little stoned kiwi]

A system running Windows 11 is probably powerful enough to just virtualize a Windows 10 box?

[Whiteball]

A system running Windows 11 is probably powerful enough to just virtualize a Windows 10 box?

Don't know much about virtual machines but I do know you can run Windows 11 in a virtual machine without any TPM necessary.

Not sure on performance but might be ok for trying to test some of the lesser parts possibly?

[Little stoned kiwi]

I'm overthinking it, as the game could just be run in a window anyway.
I do helpdesk support. The mix of monitors, resolutions, and scaling is a constant source of pain for users and me. The first workaround I look for on reflex is to wrap the problem into a container.

Multiple monitors, correct resolutions, content scaling, optional support by applications. Madness.