The Sony PS3 thread (apparently *still* obnoxious!)

aureole · Post by **aureole** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:00 pm 0

Sony generally seem to make crap software full stop. Given their approach to drivers/software for mobile phones and copy protection on DVDs, it wouldn't be entirely surprising if they'd made an almighty balls-up of it.

The real question is: if pirated games are openly available, will it help or hurt Sony overall?

gravy · Post by **gravy** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:07 pm 0

Oh don't, you're tempting the Rev back.

Complex question but right now with the console and software at its current price I reckon it'd hurt Sony big time.

Down the road where Sony are making money form the HW itself it could be a very positive thing for them, less so for the publishers.

aureole · Post by **aureole** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:24 pm 0

It could help in the short term "can pirate games" will become a selling point to some people, enough so to dissuade them from getting an alternative console, maybe?

seibu · Post by **seibu** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:25 pm 0

Duck Turkin wrote: Ugly? If you think a bright pink cube with a handle on it is pretty...

I want your bright pink Gamecube!!

betamax · Post by **betamax** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:28 pm 0

seibu wrote:
Duck Turkin wrote: Ugly? If you think a bright pink cube with a handle on it is pretty...
I want your bright pink Gamecube!!

Gaming euphemisms! Get 'Chore gaming euphemisms!! They're Luvverly!

Flabio · Post by **Flabio** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:35 pm 0

aureole wrote:It could help in the short term "can pirate games" will become a selling point to some people

But if it becomes clear that they weren't protecting the IP of third party publishers, a lot of them would choose to not support the machine. Why release on a machine thats very easy to pirate on when the competition isn't?

seibu · Post by **seibu** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:40 pm 0

Hajile wrote: You misunderstand me. That's not even close to what I said, and you're filling in the blanks with your own perspective.
I liked the last generation or two simply because I wasn't being aggravated by rabid slagging matches, both between users and between companies. Nothing else. It wasn't a headache, and I didn't find myself having to immediately go on the defensive when I told someone I was mainly using a particular console. After the Megadrive/SNES wars of the generation before I found it quite refreshing and peaceful, and thought that the industry had matured (or, indeed, evolved) to the point where foaming at the mouth nutcases would no longer alienate and prevent a casual audience becoming involved just because they were afraid of pitching their tent on the wrong side and copping an earful. I don't need any other reason. Mentioning power of the console or the price is missing the point of what I'm getting at, and any other reasons you can bring up would be just an attempt to put your words in my mouth.

I'm all for evolution of the games industry, but I feel that it'll come about through a change in business models and public representation rather than controllers or high definition.

Fair enough, sorry for misunderstanding your point. I think you're right that a single standard gaming platform would massively expand the appeal of gaming to Joe Public. Thing is, it would kill off hardware innovation overnight.

I would controversially argue that this is what has happened to an extent with Sony. The original PlayStation was an absolute masterpiece that blew the competition right out of the water. But they've enjoyed such dominance since then, that the incentive to produce truly great hardware hasn't been there. Ignoring the PS2's undeniably excellent software library, in hardware terms it was a very disappointing machine. I think for a lot of people the PS3 has proved similarly disappointing, so far.

aureole · Post by **aureole** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:44 pm 0

Flabio wrote:
aureole wrote:It could help in the short term "can pirate games" will become a selling point to some people
But if it becomes clear that they weren't protecting the IP of third party publishers, a lot of them would choose to not support the machine. Why release on a machine thats very easy to pirate on when the competition isn't?

If they've got 80% of the userbase, you suck it up and make games for them I guess. I don't really know so much about this.

seibu · Post by **seibu** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:46 pm 0

betamax wrote:
seibu wrote:
Duck Turkin wrote: Ugly? If you think a bright pink cube with a handle on it is pretty...
I want your bright pink Gamecube!!
Gaming euphemisms! Get 'Chore gaming euphemisms!! They're Luvverly!

Not a euphemism! I was referring to the fact that if there ever was such a think as a bright pink Gamecube, it certainly wasn't common.

Personally I'd take a piece of clean, unique and bold design like the 'cube over a high-end hi-fi imitation (with a huge tray sticking out of the bottom) any day of the week.

Governmentyard · Post by **Governmentyard** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:49 pm 0

seibu wrote:The original PlayStation was an absolute masterpiece

It was a very nice little console, with an average controller and it proved that if you give an infinite number of monkeys a devkit, you'll come out with about as many decent titles as the N64 had. But it wasn't a masterpiece, unless you are an FMV fetishist.

betamax · Post by **betamax** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:51 pm 0

seibu wrote:
betamax wrote:
seibu wrote:
Duck Turkin wrote: Ugly? If you think a bright pink cube with a handle on it is pretty...
I want your bright pink Gamecube!!
Gaming euphemisms! Get 'Chore gaming euphemisms!! They're Luvverly!
Not a euphemism! I was referring to the fact that if there ever was such a think as a bright pink Gamecube, it certainly wasn't common.

Personally I'd take a piece of clean, unique and bold design like the 'cube over a high-end hi-fi imitation (with a huge tray sticking out of the bottom) any day of the week.

Sorry, I thought you'd made a clever gaming-flavoured reference to the female genitals. Apologies

Flabio · Post by **Flabio** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:51 pm 0

goatboy wrote:It was a very nice little console, with an average controller and it proved that if you give an infinite number of monkeys a devkit, you'll come out with about as many decent titles as the N64 had.

I can put up with a lot, but this is a pretty blinkered statement. I'd be *very* hard pushed to name as many N64 must haves as I can PS1 ones.

betamax · Post by **betamax** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:56 pm 0

Flabio wrote:
goatboy wrote:It was a very nice little console, with an average controller and it proved that if you give an infinite number of monkeys a devkit, you'll come out with about as many decent titles as the N64 had.
I can put up with a lot, but this is a pretty blinkered statement. I'd be *very* hard pushed to name as many N64 must haves as I can PS1 ones.

The original playstation also had a raft of obscure RPG titles that many people would rate as must haves. The comparison is, at base, unfair.

seibu · Post by **seibu** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:15 pm 0

goatboy wrote:
seibu wrote:The original PlayStation was an absolute masterpiece
It was a very nice little console, with an average controller and it proved that if you give an infinite number of monkeys a devkit, you'll come out with about as many decent titles as the N64 had. But it wasn't a masterpiece, unless you are an FMV fetishist.

I was really only thinking of the Saturn. I think the PlayStation hardware pretty much blew the Saturn out of the water. the N64 came along quite a lot later, when I think Sony already had a big head start. Had the PS1 and N64 come out at more or less the same time, history might have been very different!

Governmentyard · Post by **Governmentyard** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:33 pm 0

betamax wrote:
Flabio wrote:
goatboy wrote:It was a very nice little console, with an average controller and it proved that if you give an infinite number of monkeys a devkit, you'll come out with about as many decent titles as the N64 had.
I can put up with a lot, but this is a pretty blinkered statement. I'd be *very* hard pushed to name as many N64 must haves as I can PS1 ones.
The original playstation also had a raft of obscure RPG titles that many people would rate as must haves. The comparison is, at base, unfair.

Obscure for a reason

YakYak

The Sony PS3 thread (apparently still obnoxious!)