Send them back where they came from

[betamax]

I've never understood why having a prejudice against a certain religion is tagged with the term "racism" anyways. Anyone can be of a certain faith, be it Christian, Muslim, Buddism or Hinduism. Technically. You get white Christians, black Christians, white Muslims and black Muslims. Or is it just a simple way of still differentiating on colour because most Christians in the UK are white and most Muslims are not?

That's about it I'm afraid. People associate religion x with race y, because that's where the religion originally hailed from a million years ago.

Also, it's easier to get away with mindlessly hating Arabs et al if you go after the low hanging, media approved fruit of their religious extremists. Hate by numbers, reprehensible in every way including it's lack of imagination.

[wanye]

my cousin and a guy i went to school with have joined this group.

i'm sorry, i didnt think anyone i knew would be so stupid

[Fil]

Time to end the disastrous democratic experiment!

[gilesgoat]

The difference is that European governments decided to invade other territories to colonise them, while we are talking about people who left (even escaped) their countries because their lives were unpleasant where they come from.

Do you know why their lives are unpleasant where they come from?

Well just to be fair sometime the situation is just a bit "complex".

Was it maybe because someone was coming there trying to colonise them ?

Correct. I would also not call what is happening necessarily racism but just pent up dissatisfaction with everything that has been directed (media, thanks a lot) and nourished (go'ment, too) into a monster. To Mulims their religion is where xtianiy was good 1K years ago and besides being the basis of their faith, it is also the basis of their laws and most importantly, identity. Being a foreigner puts stress on identity and if this is not enough they get their own countries pretty messed up by Amis and Europeans for a loooong time now. If you observe things from their stand point, there is a lot to be unhappy about. Doesn't excuse guys who blow themselves up, but might explain some of their reasoning (if one can call it this way).

Eh .. let's suppose just for hypothesis someone comes into your country with "you HAVE to sell me this OR I'll start
a war againist you" .. or "you HAVE to BUY this stuff I produce AND sell me THAT or I'll start a war againist you" ..
.. or "you HAVE to be in commerce with me OR I'll start a .. " .. or "you HAVE to give me x% of the petrol you have
any year OR I'll stop supporting your current government AND I will leave the ruthless dictator X ( that my secret
services will build up and supply ) take over your country " .. or "you HAVE to accept my PROTECTION to guarantee
your PEACE/SAFETY againist those bloody terrorists ( that my secret services are building and supplying ) that are
out ( but so very close to you ) there mining your safety" .. etc. etc. etc. etc.

.. and lot more .. there's even the "there my FRIEND here is the money I lend you ( well knowing that you will NEVER be
able to repay me back - if not, I will put you in the conditions so you won't be able to ) to HELP you with your economy/etc.
in RETURN you will SELL me ( at my price ) that thing .. ".

Hum .. yes .. if you observe things from various stand points certainly there could be infinite things not to be so happy about ..

[PumaG]

There's some quite entertainingly frothing people posting in this Facebook group

This is the Town that mostly White, Christian, dead soldiers and their families are abused by mostly Asian second generation immigrants with strong religious views, right?
Not entertaining in the slightest from any angle.

Chanting "baby murderers" at dead soldiers during a parade sounds like something from Saxon times. In the Two recent world wars, even enemies on the battlefield had respect for each other.
Tolerance should work both ways, so lets not be too surprised when it goes down the pan like what's happening on facebook. It's all very convenient to throw the racist card around though, perhaps too convenient that problems wont get solved.
Perhaps the Pro oil organizations and trolls, like the racist card being played?

I think the Muslim faith would install respect into the west's increasingly trashy culture, but many Muslims who find their way to UK, or second generation immigrants, perhaps already tarnished by UKs trashy culture, are less tolerant people than the scumbags.

Fuck, I don't know what the answer is. Perhaps just call me a racist then that's over and done with.

[Fil]

In the Two recent world wars, even enemies on the battlefield had respect for each other.

[venusian]

I think the Muslim faith would install respect into the west's increasingly trashy culture

Respect eh? Not repulsive, sexist, racist, oppressive, anti-intellectual nonsense then?

Perhaps just call me a racist then that's over and done with.

No, I won't call you racist but on the basis of that last post, you're a fucking idiot.

[gravy]

IDIOTIST!

[zip accident]

IDIOTIST!

Is it possible to be a Facist-ist, I wonder.

[HGFB]

It's all very convenient to throw the racist card around though, perhaps too convenient that problems wont get solved.

Fairly convenient yes.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2 ... 5473697623

[Gorecki]

It's all very convenient to throw the racist card around though, perhaps too convenient that problems wont get solved.

Fairly convenient yes.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2 ... 5473697623

I'm genuinely surprised to find that none of my Facebook 'friends'* were actually in that thread. Half the people I work with are like the half-wits in there.


*and when I mean friends what I actually mean is people who added me as a friend who I really, really don't want to have anything to do with but didn't want to have to go into work the next day and politely find ways of not saying "because you're a cunt".

[kitkat]

Another friend of my friend has agreed with her joining the group and come out with the infamous " if they want a voice and march, go back to an islamic country to do it".
I've just left a large ranty comment. BNP fuckwit.

I can feel the bile rising in me.

[ElfQrin]

I've read what this march is about and I really think it's a very bad idea.

Whoever thinks the contrary should go to Egypt (a moderated Muslim country) and march to the Canal war monument carrying "symbolic coffins" to honour British victims of the conflict. Then see if protests will be limited to a couple of Facebook groups.

[kitkat]

The small group targeting the town for this are doing this to stir trouble, granted.

However, to deny or forbid it is surely against everything we've earned for in terms of debate, free speech and democracy. Ok maybe that's overboard but I don't think anyone has the right to stop it. The police may well strictly control it so no-one gets hurts but people just need to keep their cool and see this for what it is.

[gilesgoat]

... He said he also planned to write to the parents of dead UK soldiers with his version of "the reality of what they died for".

Oil ?

Or was the right to build that oil pipeline across those countries ?

Increase the value of some stock markets share ?

More control on those plantations of those particular strands of weed ?

All of the above ?

".. do you think it's freedom/peace what you are fighting for ?"

Well .. depends .. if you mean "my own economic peace" and
"my freedom to buy" then it all fits in the equation ..