PumaG wrote:venusian wrote:The Tories in this country are a bunch of over-privileged, over-entitled, self-interested toffs working to further enrich and entrench the top 1%. However they've managed to convince a high enough proportion of the 99% that they're for them that they've stayed in, or close to, power. They've done this at least partially through a divide-and-conquer approach.
Like Cameron, Osbourne and May, Trump doesn't need to stop being a hate-filled bag of shit. He only needs to convince each of the various sub-groups that his bigotry and prejudice against all the other groups is somehow beneficial to them. It's not impossible. One slice of cake in the bag of horse dung and everybody thinks it's theirs.
They only care about power and money. they will do anything for votes.
Tiresome reductionism. They already have the power and the money; they don't need to do "anything" for the votes. Being only interested in power and money does not make one a benign teddy bear; having money and power means, by definition, that others do not and are not able to acquire it. Power is not power if it can be taken away.
PumaG wrote:that's all we need to know
No, no it's not.
PumaG wrote: and the fact that these people get elected is bad and dangerous enough, but the focus is on his apparent bigotry. Are we certain other power and money obsessed politicians art bigoted?
They almost certainly are also bigots but they're not parading it around in public and seem less liable to try and turn it into law.
PumaG wrote:I can't understand why anyone is taking Trump's ideas seriously,
Nobody is taking his idea seriously. They are self-evidently a pile of steaming tosh. However he's the leading candidate for one of the two cabals capable of putting a president in the white house so he merits some serious attention.
PumaG wrote:they arnt doable, they won't happen. even if he did build a wall and ban Muslims ('until they figured things out') would he have as much blood on his hands as Bush and Blair?
If he became president and provoked an all-out fundie war then yes.
PumaG wrote:Shouting 'bigot' at him and making parodies, highlights to me even more how gullible people are. As if he hadn't had those ideas he'd be a good ol boy. Ok Donald we're glad you love Muslims and Mexicans. now go and bomb some more shit out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Mugs.
Non sequitur.
PumaG wrote:If he's really a hate-filled bigot I doubt he would have invested so much in Muslim countries. Like I said, all he cares about is money and power.
More effort seems to be going into trying to expose him as a bigot than stopping bomb debris raining down on innocents in the middle east.
He doesn't need "exposing". He's getting alot of attention because he's possibly the person who gets to decide how many bombs get dropped.