Trump

[pogo]

Thing is, is that reflective of the US getting more left-leaning in general, or rather that regardless of political principles people are being progressively more put off by the rest of the stuff being bundled into the republican party?

Definitely the latter. The Republican party has become more and more extreme and unreasonable over the last 20 years or more, going back to Newt Gingrich and his "Contract with America". The Atlantic has a detailed explained here:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... sm/422427/

[PumaG]

The Tories in this country are a bunch of over-privileged, over-entitled, self-interested toffs working to further enrich and entrench the top 1%. However they've managed to convince a high enough proportion of the 99% that they're for them that they've stayed in, or close to, power. They've done this at least partially through a divide-and-conquer approach.

Like Cameron, Osbourne and May, Trump doesn't need to stop being a hate-filled bag of shit. He only needs to convince each of the various sub-groups that his bigotry and prejudice against all the other groups is somehow beneficial to them. It's not impossible. One slice of cake in the bag of horse dung and everybody thinks it's theirs.

They only care about power and money. they will do anything for votes. that's all we need to know and the fact that these people get elected is bad and dangerous enough, but the focus is on his apparent bigotry. Are we certain other power and money obsessed politicians art bigoted?
I can't understand why anyone is taking Trump's ideas seriously, they arnt doable, they won't happen. even if he did build a wall and ban Muslims ('until they figured things out') would he have as much blood on his hands as Bush and Blair? Shouting 'bigot' at him and making parodies, highlights to me even more how gullible people are. As if he hadn't had those ideas he'd be a good ol boy. Ok Donald we're glad you love Muslims and Mexicans. now go and bomb some more shit out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Mugs.

If he's really a hate-filled bigot I doubt he would have invested so much in Muslim countries. Like I said, all he cares about is money and power.
More effort seems to be going into trying to expose him as a bigot than stopping bomb debris raining down on innocents in the middle east.

[pogo]

The Tories in this country are a bunch of over-privileged, over-entitled, self-interested toffs working to further enrich and entrench the top 1%. However they've managed to convince a high enough proportion of the 99% that they're for them that they've stayed in, or close to, power. They've done this at least partially through a divide-and-conquer approach.

Really? So the people that voted for the Tories are simply gullible fools, taken in by their lies? If people on the left think that they may as well give up now, they will never win an election again. You don’t win elections by insulting voters and talking down to them. This was a problem for Labour before the last election; they thought the Tory policies so self-evidently wrong that all they needed to do was explain them to voters for them to see the error of their ways. But they missed that Tory policies are designed to appeal to a broad segment of the population: anyone working, paying taxes, who wants the government to live within its means and not waste money.

Worth highlighting that Trump or similar could never happen here, a billionaire paying for his own run for president. It’s hard enough to buy an election over there but impossible here. Money in politics in the US is spent on TV adverts as they are most effective, but they are banned here. And we have a parliamentary system, based around parties, chosen by constituents, so no easy way for a billionaire to insert himself.

[Wudzi]

Like her for example?

[Absolute_Zero]

Like Cameron, Osbourne and May, Trump doesn't need to stop being a hate-filled bag of shit.

Step away from the mirror.

[venusian]

You don’t win elections by insulting voters and talking down to them.

Au contraire, apparently one does.

[venusian]

The Tories in this country are a bunch of over-privileged, over-entitled, self-interested toffs working to further enrich and entrench the top 1%. However they've managed to convince a high enough proportion of the 99% that they're for them that they've stayed in, or close to, power. They've done this at least partially through a divide-and-conquer approach.

Like Cameron, Osbourne and May, Trump doesn't need to stop being a hate-filled bag of shit. He only needs to convince each of the various sub-groups that his bigotry and prejudice against all the other groups is somehow beneficial to them. It's not impossible. One slice of cake in the bag of horse dung and everybody thinks it's theirs.

They only care about power and money. they will do anything for votes.

Tiresome reductionism. They already have the power and the money; they don't need to do "anything" for the votes. Being only interested in power and money does not make one a benign teddy bear; having money and power means, by definition, that others do not and are not able to acquire it. Power is not power if it can be taken away.

that's all we need to know

No, no it's not.

and the fact that these people get elected is bad and dangerous enough, but the focus is on his apparent bigotry. Are we certain other power and money obsessed politicians art bigoted?

They almost certainly are also bigots but they're not parading it around in public and seem less liable to try and turn it into law.

I can't understand why anyone is taking Trump's ideas seriously,

Nobody is taking his idea seriously. They are self-evidently a pile of steaming tosh. However he's the leading candidate for one of the two cabals capable of putting a president in the white house so he merits some serious attention.

they arnt doable, they won't happen. even if he did build a wall and ban Muslims ('until they figured things out') would he have as much blood on his hands as Bush and Blair?

If he became president and provoked an all-out fundie war then yes.

Shouting 'bigot' at him and making parodies, highlights to me even more how gullible people are. As if he hadn't had those ideas he'd be a good ol boy. Ok Donald we're glad you love Muslims and Mexicans. now go and bomb some more shit out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Mugs.

Non sequitur.

If he's really a hate-filled bigot I doubt he would have invested so much in Muslim countries. Like I said, all he cares about is money and power.
More effort seems to be going into trying to expose him as a bigot than stopping bomb debris raining down on innocents in the middle east.

He doesn't need "exposing". He's getting alot of attention because he's possibly the person who gets to decide how many bombs get dropped.

[PumaG]

The Tories in this country are a bunch of over-privileged, over-entitled, self-interested toffs working to further enrich and entrench the top 1%. However they've managed to convince a high enough proportion of the 99% that they're for them that they've stayed in, or close to, power. They've done this at least partially through a divide-and-conquer approach.

Like Cameron, Osbourne and May, Trump doesn't need to stop being a hate-filled bag of shit. He only needs to convince each of the various sub-groups that his bigotry and prejudice against all the other groups is somehow beneficial to them. It's not impossible. One slice of cake in the bag of horse dung and everybody thinks it's theirs.

They only care about power and money. they will do anything for votes.

Tiresome reductionism. They already have the power and the money; they don't need to do "anything" for the votes. Being only interested in power and money does not make one a benign teddy bear; having money and power means, by definition, that others do not and are not able to acquire it. Power is not power if it can be taken away.

that's all we need to know

No, no it's not.

and the fact that these people get elected is bad and dangerous enough, but the focus is on his apparent bigotry. Are we certain other power and money obsessed politicians art bigoted?

They almost certainly are also bigots but they're not parading it around in public and seem less liable to try and turn it into law.

I can't understand why anyone is taking Trump's ideas seriously,

Nobody is taking his idea seriously. They are self-evidently a pile of steaming tosh. However he's the leading candidate for one of the two cabals capable of putting a president in the white house so he merits some serious attention.

they arnt doable, they won't happen. even if he did build a wall and ban Muslims ('until they figured things out') would he have as much blood on his hands as Bush and Blair?

If he became president and provoked an all-out fundie war then yes.

Shouting 'bigot' at him and making parodies, highlights to me even more how gullible people are. As if he hadn't had those ideas he'd be a good ol boy. Ok Donald we're glad you love Muslims and Mexicans. now go and bomb some more shit out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Mugs.

Non sequitur.

If he's really a hate-filled bigot I doubt he would have invested so much in Muslim countries. Like I said, all he cares about is money and power.
More effort seems to be going into trying to expose him as a bigot than stopping bomb debris raining down on innocents in the middle east.

He doesn't need "exposing". He's getting alot of attention because he's possibly the person who gets to decide how many bombs get dropped.

they could be Narcissists, or worse, suffer from Narcissistic personality disorder (in which case you'd need to re-write your assertions) , then again looking at the strength of your replies, so could you be.

Most of our exposure to trump comes from reports by Narcissist journos


"Nobody is taking his idea seriously. They are self-evidently a pile of steaming tosh. However he's the leading candidate for one of the two cabals capable of putting a president in the white house so he merits some serious attention."

BULLSHIT. Piers Morgen on his morning show and Twitter for one took his ideas seriously and as a bonus, went to the effort of interviewing Ann Coulson, highlighting the fear monger idea that all of America's Muslims could be re-located out of the country.

[k345y]

He's threatening to uplift his inward 700 million investment from Scotland if he's banned from the Uk.

Good, buh bye then, buh bye.

Let's build more off shore windfarms just to annoy you before you leave, right in front of Turnberry too! Keep your money ya fuckin dick.

[(o)(o)]

[zip accident]

all of America's Muslims could be re-located out of the country.

They interned all of the American Japanese in WW2, so it's not 100% impossible.

[pogo]

But that is seen now as a shameful episode in American history. Since then there was the civil rights movement which finally addressed America’s issues with race, including such incidents.

Plus it was based on nationality, i.e. it was internment of Japanese people, natives and descendants of the country they were at war with. Religion plays a unique role in American life: the country is very religious but they also go to great lengths to keep religion out of government and stop the government interfering with religion. So locking up/barring people based on religion is probably unconstitutional. Not even the president could do it, even if he passed a law to enable it.

[F-ZeroOne]

Not including Hawaii, there were about 100,000 Japanese-Americans interned during World War II. There are estimated to be between just under 2 to 7 million Muslims in the US currently. The US prison population is approximately 2 million, so you're going to need at least as many prison-type complexes for a minimum acceptable confinement standard.

There have, of course, been other "solutions" to similar "problems" in past history. Many of them are usually frowned upon these days.

[zip accident]

Not including Hawaii, there were about 100,000 Japanese-Americans interned during World War II. There are estimated to be between just under 2 to 7 million Muslims in the US currently. The US prison population is approximately 2 million, so you're going to need at least as many prison-type complexes for a minimum acceptable confinement standard.

There have, of course, been other "solutions" to similar "problems" in past history. Many of them are usually frowned upon these days.

I'm not advocating doing it, I'm pointing out that it could actually be done if there was a political will behind it.

[pogo]

I'm not advocating doing it, I'm pointing out that it could actually be done if there was a political will behind it.

The US Constitution overrides even political will in the USA. Things like states trying to outlaw gay marriage ended this year, as the Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution protected such marriages. That was after the federal government pass a law, the “Defense of Marriage Act”, to recognise marriages as only between a man and woman. That law was also ruled unconstitutional.

The only way to overcome this is via a constitutional amendment. But this is incredibly hard to do. It requires a motion passed with 2/3 majorities of both the Senate and Congress. Then it requires ratification by the states, who have no obligation to do so, or do so quickly. Only when it has been ratified by 2/3 of the states does it finally become law. It can take a very long time.