EU referendum are you in or out

[Baggypants]

Campaigning suspended after the murder of MP Jo Cox...

'kin 'ell

[carolen]

Speaking of betting, I see the odds are favouring Remain - showing a 65% chance of it on Betfair the last time I looked, up from 60% yesterday. (The "proper" bookies apparently have it at 62%.)

Not sure what's going on with the polls... After the epic fail with their predictions for the General Election last year, is it the pollsters keeping quiet, or the media not reporting on them for fear of being shown to be wrong (in whatever sense)? Reading the websites I frequent (Guardian and similar), the commentators seem to be treating the 'Leave' campaign as having the advantage - though without knowing the source of this, it's hard to get a feel of what is actually going to happen.

[KlaxonCow]

Campaigning suspended after the murder of MP Jo Cox...

Apparently, her attacker allegedly shouted "put Britain first!" during the attack and has known right-wing sympathies, possibly targeting Jo Cox for her work in helping refugees.

So, indeed, it's perhaps wise to suspend all this toxic and fear-mongering campaigning, to give them a chance - a "time out" - to reflect on their often despicable childish behaviour and all the fear and hatred they are potentially stoking up in the country through it.

[gumboot]

According to Radio 4, the stay campaign should generate fear, while the leave campaign should generate anger. That's how they each have the best chance of winning.

But nobody's going to reflect on anything, because that never happens.

[gravy]

It's a horrible thing but ceasing EU campaigning is decent as well as the cons just announcing they won't contest the seat in the next byelection.

A world of difference from the Trump tweeting about having "nailed it" after the Orlando shootings.

[VNVObit]

Truly shocking. Thought the responses from both camps showed respect.
thought this piece in the spectator was pretty good take on the impact of the campaign http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/a-day-of-infamy/

[Little stoned kiwi]

Trump vs. Clinton hasn't even started yet. A lot of things can happen between now and the election.

[PumaG]

It's a horrible thing but ceasing EU campaigning is decent as well as the cons just announcing they won't contest the seat in the next byelection.

A world of difference from the Trump tweeting about having "nailed it" after the Orlando shootings.

Now that's not quite right, is it. I read the guardian too, but don't wear it on my shirt sleeve.

This is just a few of the lighter comments aimed at Labour MP Neil Coyle hours after her death



http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/j ... f99adbb540


Trump's first tweets after Pulse massacre (sorry these tweets spoil the sensationalism that you've subscribed,too, even the Telegraph's hacks claimed his "i called it tweet" was immediately after the shooting, journos using twitter is being lazy, but being selective over tweets with time stamps and in sequential order points to agenda driven news. Not the sort of thing that encourages debate or keeps the mentally ill calm.

[pogo]

Ah, Trump.

The first one is almost OK, but the second one? The “When will we get tough, smart & vigilant?”. The clear implication being we. i.e. the US govt, i.e. Obama, is not tough, smart and vigilant. Which is delusional nonsense. There’s no room for subtlety in a tweet, so he is simply dead wrong. Before he got onto congratulating himself for being right.

[PumaG]

Ah, Trump.

The first one is almost OK, but the second one? The “When will we get tough, smart & vigilant?”. The clear implication being we. i.e. the US govt, i.e. Obama, is not tough, smart and vigilant. Which is delusional
nonsense. There’s no room for subtlety in a tweet, so he is simply dead wrong. Before he got onto congratulating himself for being right.

Given that he later tweeted he was meeting with the NRA, he's actually acting on what his preached right there, to claim he's deluded is outrageous and a contagious design to stop debate, which leads to more hate and anger.

His 'congratulations tweet' was 'thanking others for congratulating him'.
It could be contrived, but thats down to you to trawl through twitter to prove nobody congratulated him, still it's not a pleasant style, but in context of American politics and this campaign, only people who've been living under a rock for 100 years can claim to be surprised. I know it doesn't surprise you, so youre back on your agenda then?
'getting tough' is a standard line in America. You're the deluded one if you think his attitude isn't a product of the USA

[PumaG]

To think that a prominent Socialist, Guardian columnist, thinks you have to be gay to understand the Orlando massacre.

[pogo]

No, delusional. To be fair it’s not just him, it’s been a theme of many Republicans for a long time.

They think that Obama is a weak president. Now, this was understandable eight years ago, when they were fighting him for the presidency. It made sense to portray him as weak, as not tough enough to continue the fight against terrorism, not smart enough to deal the complexity of being president.

Problem is we’ve had almost eight years of his presidency. And he has been tough. Ask Osama bin Laden, or one of the other Al-Queda or ISIS leaders taken out. He is very smart, and has been intelligent and thoughtful in many of his interventions. People are now starting to look back on his presidency, and finding it one of the most impactful and significant presidencies in a long time.

So anyone who thinks Obama was not “tough, smart & vigilant” is delusional. Or, if they do not think it but imply it, then they are deceptive. Take your pick. Either (that he is deluded or a habitual liar) should disqualify Trump from being president.

[gravy]

It's a horrible thing but ceasing EU campaigning is decent as well as the cons just announcing they won't contest the seat in the next byelection.

A world of difference from the Trump tweeting about having "nailed it" after the Orlando shootings.

Now that's not quite right, is it.

It's exactly right. Nomark politician no one has heard of says something idiotic about shooting and the political establishment reacts respectfully. Which is the story here.

50 shot in Orlando and within hours Trump humblebrag's about the congratulations he's getting, boats of having nailed it and implies Obama is a radical Islam fifth columnist.

There's no need. He's a cunt. I'm not proud of our political class in the UK but we're not at the point where someone of similar standing in the UK would behave the same.

[gravy]

To think that a prominent Socialist, Guardian columnist, thinks you have to be gay to understand the Orlando massacre.

You think that is what Owen Jones is saying?

[PumaG]

It's a horrible thing but ceasing EU campaigning is decent as well as the cons just announcing they won't contest the seat in the next byelection.

A world of difference from the Trump tweeting about having "nailed it" after the Orlando shootings.

Now that's not quite right, is it.

It's exactly right. Nomark politician no one has heard of says something idiotic about shooting and the political establishment reacts respectfully. Which is the story here.

50 shot in Orlando and within hours Trump humblebrag's about the congratulations he's getting, boats of having nailed it and implies Obama is a radical Islam fifth columnist.

There's no need. He's a cunt. I'm not proud of our political class in the UK but we're not at the point where someone of similar standing in the UK would behave the same.

'attack on all Americans' 'the shooter was an animal' 'the new face of terror'

none of which make any sense, they weren't said by trump, so no one is trying to decipher them