EU referendum are you in or out

[PumaG]

To think that a prominent Socialist, Guardian columnist, thinks you have to be gay to understand the Orlando massacre.

You think that is what Owen Jones is saying?

I can't get past him being a hypocrite I'm afraid

[Rubisco]

To think that a prominent Socialist, Guardian columnist, thinks you have to be gay to understand the Orlando massacre.

You think that is what Owen Jones is saying?

I can't get past him being a hypocrite I'm afraid

I don't think it's fair to single Jones out for being a hypocrite this week...

Left-wingers after Orlando:
This is the insane act of a lone madman and has nothing to do with Islam, which is a peaceful religion.

Right-wingers after Orlando:
This was a political act of a proven Islamist, why is the left so determined not to use the word terrorist? Fucking SJWs!

Right-wingers after Cox assassination:
This is the insane act of a lone madman and has nothing to do with Britain First, which is a peaceful organisation.

Left-wingers after Cox assassination:
This was a political act of a proven far-right bigot, why is the right so determined not to use the word terrorist? Fucking racists!

[phattslagg]

There is a difference between associating billions of followers of a mostly peaceful religion with the actions of an extreme element, and associating a bunch of political extremists with the actions of one of their number.

[Deckard]

Genuinely surprised the Times editorial today is to stay after so much negative coverage by it in the last few weeks.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/remak ... 2a346227fe

[PumaG]

To think that a prominent Socialist, Guardian columnist, thinks you have to be gay to understand the Orlando massacre.

You think that is what Owen Jones is saying?

I can't get past him being a hypocrite I'm afraid

I don't think it's fair to single Jones out for being a hypocrite this week...

He has a well written article on the Guardian now regarding the boss of BHS. I like his writing. but he's been quickly called out for taking a salary from his bosses with a similar culture. Guardian writers are very agenda driven, perhaps they should go on strike instead to make their point about rotten business culture ?

I found this interesting.
http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2015- ... ott-trust/

"Why change it into a limited company, if it‘s only role is to be a trust?
Second, what makes the Scott Trust Ltd different from other corporate media organisations – as we keep being told by its staff, including columnists like George Monbiot and Owen Jones – if, as Rusbridger claims, its board members’ strong ties to corporations like HSBC are irrelevant to understanding its influence on the Guardian? Why are the Trust board members, deeply embedded in the corporate culture, any different from other corporate media chief executives? It seems Rusbridger is in deep denial."

"Scott Trust board members have deep ties to HSBC. Consider, for example, board member Anthony Salz’s CV, care of Ahmed:
a senior investment banker and executive vice chairman of Rothschild, and a director at NM Rothschild and Sons. He was a key legal adviser to Guinness during the notorious share-rigging scandal, helped Rupert Murdoch form BSkyB, and was vice chair of the BBC’s Board of Governors before it was replaced by the BBC Trust. He was also lead non-executive director of the board at the Department for Education under arch-neoconservative Michael Gove.
"

[PumaG]

Funny how Donald trump gets slated for his failed businesses and poor practices, yet the successful (and once successful now failing) British companies are also rotten to the core.

I haven't checked if Britain remain, will they join the Eurozone? free bank transfers across all of the zone? European standard consumer warranties? (another opt-out to protect credit companies/banks)
there's loads more, so whats the point of being in? cheap labour for the rotten businesses by chance? surely immigrants arnt being used (exploited)?

[tufty]

Funny how Donald trump gets slated for his failed businesses and poor practices, yet the successful (and once successful now failing) British companies are also rotten to the core.

I think you'll find that's because Trump wants to become President of The United States of America, and is pretending that as he is a "good businessman" that makes him a safe pair of hands for one of the largest financial powers in the world.

[pogo]

Funny how Donald trump gets slated for his failed businesses and poor practices, yet the successful (and once successful now failing) British companies are also rotten to the core.

But Trump is exceptional. An exceptionally bad businessman. If he had not started with a massive inheritance he would just be a talentless loudmouth. If it weren’t for America’s generous bankruptcy laws he would have lost it all more than once. It’s much harder for anyone like him to do well here.

We’ve all encountered people like Trump, people whose only talent is self-promotion, who spend their entire lives talking themselves up and blaming anyone but themselves for their failures. But rarely do they start with a massive fortune, which both cushions them from their failures and lets them pad their ego with expensive publicity stunts.

He was exceptional and newsworthy even before he ran for president. He became the unofficial spokesperson for the Birther movement, as the most prominent person willing to promote such as crazy conspiracy theory. And now he is the presumed Republican candidate, so interest in him has multiplied by an order of magnitude.

[Darkflame]

Funny how Donald trump gets slated for his failed businesses and poor practices, yet the successful (and once successful now failing) British companies are also rotten to the core.

I think you'll find that's because Trump wants to become President of The United States of America, and is pretending that as he is a "good businessman" that makes him a safe pair of hands for one of the largest financial powers in the world.

+1
Theres nothing wrong intrinsically with having a failed business. In fact, Id rant about too much stigmatization of failure in general.
Its only a issue when your basically lieing(or deluded) about how successful you are.

I still cant place quite which Trump is, given he once assembled the press together to show his successful bushiness's - complete with props supposedly from said businesses - and then it turns out half of them wernt in the least bit connected with him. I mean...whats going though his head??

Possibility's;
1. He was just lieing and didnt think anyone from the press actually would check.
2. He honestly thinks he still has all those businesses and no one from his staff has the ""heart to tell him"". (ie. scared staff)
3. He honestly thinks he still has all those businesses despite being told by his staff he does not. (ie, he has serious memory issues)

[PumaG]

"Fuck the EU"

Victoria Nuland - Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs under both Presidents Obama and Bush. Married to neocon Robert Kagan


Scheming on Ukraine & Hypocrisy about Ukrainian Democracy

[gumboot]

given he once assembled the press together to show his successful bushiness's

His bushiness is a definite failure. Pogo posted that Gawker story on it in the other Trump thread.

[gravy]

Britain First refuting Mair having any sympathy with their group because he's actually mentally ill.

I'm not sure they understand that these things aren't mutually exclusive.

Mair has since given his name in court as “death to traitors, freedom for Britain” and this picture has started circulate:

[PumaG]

Britain First refuting Mair having any sympathy with their group because he's actually mentally ill.

I'm not sure they understand that these things aren't mutually exclusive.

Mair has since given his name in court as “death to traitors, freedom for Britain” and this picture has started circulate:

You've posted a picture of products of Uk society and theres 3 possibly 4 different 'labels' right there
With the circulation of this photo, is there much discussion on why, aggression/anger/hatred exists between 'labels' ? I've seen jokey labelling systems circulated, but they only really apply to the gutter press and politicians at the top.
I notice for the umpteenth time there is no responsible journalist or politician prepared to look into England's football hooligan culture and general loutish behaviour abroad, largely supplied by Britain's 'white' 'feral youth' living under a 'ghetto' housing policy dominated by the 'big corporates'.

[gravy]

With the circulation of this photo, is there much discussion on why, aggression/anger/hatred exists between 'labels' ?

What are you on about?

I notice for the umpteenth time there is no responsible journalist or politician prepared to look into England's football hooligan culture and general loutish behaviour abroad, largely supplied by Britain's white feral youth living under a 'ghetto' housing policy dominated by the big corporates.

What are you on about?

Really, can you make some plain and easily understandable statements and then there can be some discussion. Even for you this hard to parse. It's either so subtle I'm too thick to get it or completely opaque nonsense.

[PumaG]

I disagree with all the labels being associated with the murder of the MP. The bigger picture is that mental illness and the 2 ideologies in that photo are products of our society and theres a million words being said without anyone addressing societiys issues reasonably (except Jo Cox's husband)

Now it's your turn to go on about something...

P.S If you dont want to answer my question, post the links to where the picture is being "circulated" and I'll check the discussion myself.

I'll post the jokey labelling systems I was on about later. Was there anything else?

oh yes, the British hooligans also in the news (we're discussing this weeks mainstream news right?) if you can't see any relation, we can drop that, but my topic was the 'society'