EU referendum are you in or out

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I disagree with all the labels being associated with the murder of the MP. The bigger picture is that mental illness and the 2 ideologies in that photo are products of our society and theres a million words being said without anyone addressing societiys issues reasonably (except Jo Cox's husband)

It's not as black and white as that.

Mair, the Orlando killer and Lee Rigby's killer main reasons for doing what they did is likely predominantly due to mental illness.

That said it's also likely that strongly worded rhetoric that demonises others and presents them as an existential threat played a part too.

In the same way you can't ignore the mental stability of these people it'd be equally stupid to ignore the virulence of the ideologies they're espousing.

And in particular Britain First, a shit of an organisation dedicated to baiting others and inflaming tensions, can get to fuck disavowing Mair at this point.

But you agree yeah? You're against the terrorist label but equally against the lone wold / mentally ill one as well?

[tufty]

we're discussing this weeks mainstream news right?

If you want to know what's being discussed, look to the top of the page, where the thread title is prominent. As a hint, football hooligans, mental illness, and Donald fucking Duck are not relevant.

[PumaG]

Please consider Im looking back at Britain from mainland Europe in one of the most liberal countries in the world. I abandoned all plans to return my family, due to the massive disparity regards to fairness, greed and reason, between the two countries. Pretty much all public services being in a different league and lack of feral youth being the clincher.

Although I can see how that will only have you show more contempt.

Britain's society is fucked. You're being conned left right and center. Being in the EU hasn't helped quality of life get anywhere near most mainland European countries.

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So you don't know what living in the UK today is like then?

You just read about it in the media that you're calling out as being fucking awful?

[PumaG]

we're discussing this weeks mainstream news right?

If you want to know what's being discussed, look to the top of the page, where the thread title is prominent. As a hint, football hooligans, mental illness, and Donald fucking Duck are not relevant.

Can't you moderate the thread, it wasn't me who took it off topic. If American's stick their fucking oars in, it's on topic.

[PumaG]

So you don't know what living in the UK today is like then?

You just read about it in the media that you're calling out as being fucking awful?

Two suggestive statements!

you mean...."do you know what it's like to live in the UK today?"

Yes. I return monthly for work. I have a handful of siblings with offspring who I can directly compare to my own. Particurlay in regards to crime, education, health service, housing policy, public services, cost of living, wages, you know, quality of life. None of which have improved in the last 15 or so years. Ive also lived in 2 other countries both outside the EU. When I return, I'm extremly well exposed to the feeling of the people who live there including that of guests from other countries. (Mostly Polish friends and Pakistani aquatences)

Given I'm usually attacking the media, your second statement not only shows contempt, but you were right the first time, youre just acting a bit thick.

[tufty]

It's rather ironic that you attack the media, given that your writing is so poor as to be utterly incomprehensible most of the time.

I am also looking in on the UK from mainland Europe, and what I see compared to what I grew up with saddens me considerably. However, I fail to see how it's the fault of Europe that the UK is in the state it's currently in, or how pulling out of Europe is supposed to somehow make things magically better.

[PumaG]

And in particular Britain First, a shit of an organisation dedicated to baiting others and inflaming tensions, can get to fuck disavowing Mair at this point.

But you agree yeah? You're against the terrorist label but equally against the lone wold / mentally ill one as well?

Stop making suggestive statements.

You're jumping to conclusions. I didn't see or consider the 'terrorist' label when looking at your photo.
I made it clear that were 4 different labels there, with blatant conflicts (I mentioned hate) and said they were products of our society. Which you don't seem to like.
I was hoping we could all take the blame for producing what we've produced, but if you like I'll exclude you.

This is awfully sad, but it seems Jo Cox's husband is the only one who can see a clear picture (for those struggling to comprehend, this means I agree with Brendan Cox)

Mainstream politicians, he writes, “in most cases are clueless on how to deal with the public debate. Petrified by the rise of the populists they try to neuter them by taking their ground and aping their rhetoric. Far from closing down the debates, these steps legitimise their views, reinforce their frames and pull the debate further to the extremes (Sarkozy and the continuing rise of Front National is a case in point).”

Cox also admits that what people think is often not related to facts but to emotion. “In a country like Poland, immigration can dominate a national election debate, despite the country being 97% white Catholic (and immigration levels being at a level where the immigration officers probably remember all the applicants’ names),” he adds.

[PumaG]

It's rather ironic that you attack the media, given that your writing is so poor as to be utterly incomprehensible most of the time.

That begs the question, why are you bothering then? (Others have made effort) The put down is water off a duck's back btw. Good for you for managing to stick to only well articulated people until now.....

I'm also looking in on the UK from mainland Europe, and what I see compared to what I grew up with saddens me considerably. However, I fail to see how it's the fault of Europe that the UK is in the state it's currently in, or how pulling out of Europe is supposed to somehow make things magically better.

Are youe claiming that I think we should pull out of Europe? and that I think it's Europe's fault?

Before I answer, can you confirm the above 2 questions are comprehendible please.

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So you don't know what living in the UK today is like then?

You just read about it in the media that you're calling out as being fucking awful?

Two suggestive statements!

you mean...."do you know what it's like to live in the UK today?"

Yes. I return monthly for work. I have a handful of siblings with offspring who I can directly compare to my own. Particurlay in regards to crime, education, health service, housing policy, public services, cost of living, wages, you know, quality of life. None of which have improved in the last 15 or so years. Ive also lived in 2 other countries both outside the EU. When I return, I'm extremly well exposed to the feeling of the people who live there including that of guests from other countries. (Mostly Polish friends and Pakistani aquatences)

Given I'm usually attacking the media, your second statement not only shows contempt, but you were right the first time, youre just acting a bit thick.

They're called rhetorical questions.

Am I detecting the shock of the thread here though, is English your first language?

Here's another rehtorical question; are you really suggesting that you have a better understanding of what it's like to live in the UK than people who live in the UK?

[PumaG]

It's rather ironic that you attack the media, given that your writing is so poor as to be utterly incomprehensible most of the time.

No there's no irony at all. I either post the facts that the media leave out or their hypocrisy. I've described Owen Jone's articles as "well written" so I'm under no illusions either.

Can you confirm you comprehend the above please.

[tufty]

It's difficult to extract an idea of a coherent viewpoint when you're taking it from something that's difficult to parse. Rather like trying to decide if dinosaurs had feathers, and if so, were they blue?

My feeling from what I've managed to struggle through is that you favour "out". Also, that you're a moron.

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It's like reading tea leaves with his posts.

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[PumaG]

So you don't know what living in the UK today is like then?

You just read about it in the media that you're calling out as being fucking awful?

Two suggestive statements!

you mean...."do you know what it's like to live in the UK today?"



Yes. I return monthly for work. I have a handful of siblings with offspring who I can directly compare to my own. Particurlay in regards to crime, education, health service, housing policy, public services, cost of living, wages, you know, quality of life. None of which have improved in the last 15 or so years. Ive also lived in 2 other countries both outside the EU. When I return, I'm extremly well exposed to the feeling of the people who live there including that of guests from other countries. (Mostly Polish friends and Pakistani aquatences)

Given I'm usually attacking the media, your second statement not only shows contempt, but you were right the first time, youre just acting a bit thick.

They're called rhetorical questions.

Am I detecting the shock of the thread here though, is English your first language?

Rhetorical questions expressed with contempt, hence suggestive.

It is, but I was subjected to a poor education system and quite low teaching standards. These are things i started to notice before leaving the UK, but the quality difference is a massive smack in the face when you see it for real.

Funny, I'm not blinkered enough to notice that Englsih speakers as a second language don't articulate themselves very well on forums. Nor am I blinkered or live in such a bubble to think my standards are the lowest.

The shock of the thread should be that children on European mainland, are taught English to a higher standard than my Nieces and Nephews are in the UK. Please don't make this into a superiority contest about me, or you.

[PumaG]

It's difficult to extract an idea of a coherent viewpoint when you're taking it from something that's difficult to parse. Rather like trying to decide if dinosaurs had feathers, and if so, were they blue?

My feeling from what I've managed to struggle through is that you favour "out". Also, that you're a moron.

That's fine.
If we met in real life, I'm sure you'd be shocked. I'm almost certain you're someone who couldn't keep me entertained for very long. I'm 100% positive you'd also keep your insults to yourself. This is predominately a forum where mid forty to fifty year olds play Nintendo games right?

I'm pro Europe. For reasons of financial greed, I'd vote to stay in the EU. Must be in my blood hey.