EU referendum are you in or out

[PumaG]

”I know you are but what am I?" Really?

I come from a council estate and left school with nothing beyond O levels. Given we live in an age where self education has never been easier "boo hoo my school was bad" just doesn't wash.

There's no shame in being under informed, if you know your limits then it's easy to fix.

What isn't great is rolling around in your own ignorance like a pig in shit while being chippy with anyone pointing it out. I mean I wouldn't pontificate to your builder about how to make a house, the changes in house making over the last 15 years and how houses have gone to hell in hand cart. Because I know fuck all about building a house.

That all said I do think I might do a better job of constructing a house than you've done of making a coherent argument.

Outside of abuse for anyone who may be right of Himmler I've had enormous trouble extracting any consistent thread of reasoning from your posts. A problem others have had here as well.

I don't live in a bubble, I live in the actual UK which is something you can't claim despite more than happy to wank on about how terrible it is. It isn't.

You've been a judgemental cunt throughout. You've applied your time looking for ways to insult and have just done it again.

Given your viewpoints, your insults are mostly likely to try and shut down anyone who doesn't agree with you. This includes my posting facts such as media lies and hypocrisy, both of which you got in a huff about.
This isn't the sort of forum to start personal insults. There's a lot of stigma and ridicule attached some of the hobbies and jobs people do here. Obsession with articulation doesn't make you immune from insult, if you want to continue with that game.
There are plenty of posts here over the years from people who've suffered assault and other crimes, there are people here who suffer with depression. No, life in the UK isn't terrible, but you writing off society's problems as me just 'wanking on about it' is obnoxious.

What happens in this forum (predominately liberal voters) , both the Trump and EU thread, is that I chipped in with a country view to the mainstream liberal media and you and others noses started to try and 'sniff out' the racist. This attitude has been there from the very beginning.

Britain has a problem with drinking culture in young people and feral youth in it's housing estate culture. No, that's not terrible. but making that point in regards to this weeks news and labels, it doesn't deserve the reply "what are you on about" "you're incoherent".

I withdrew plans to have my children raised in the UK based on personal experiences and facts, then made a choice. Your translation 'Im rolling around like a pig in shit'

James O'Brien from you video:

"What is the point of having these conversations? What is the point of having these conversations if we're not allowed to say what we want and express what we fear?"

[PumaG]

Almost everybody is pro-Europe. Are you for Remain or Leave for the UK? Just to be clear.

I would vote 'remain' purely for selfish financial reasons. (I made this clear one post before your question) Be fair to me, I wouldn't be the only one would I. I'm over the 'lived abroad' time limit to vote btw

I would too, but not just because I'm paid in euros (it would be nice if we ended up 1:1 pound to euro!) but also because to leave the EU, to me, is pure madness. And of course the only people shouting about leaving are bigoted racist assholes.

Yeah, and my point all along, is that we produced them! yet there isn't an awful lot of talk about sorting it out. The economy must come first.

I'm always ignored when I point this out, but when you look deeper, we are often told 'we need the immigration' for economic reasons. I would rather put a couple of Syrian's up in my house (it's empty 50% of the time) than use them for selfish financial reasons and that's from someone who does make selfish financial decisions. Truth be told, a little cheap un- declared labour would come in handy to me.

[Barney]

Aw hell, anyone with a shred of human decency is fine with immigration as it is. You walk down our frod road and the place is bustling with about ten different nationalities, all buying their groceries and nattering on the pavement, kids running around and nobody getting killed. It's ace. When I was working in the hospital, we "imported" foreign nurses who were caring, funny, intelligent and hard-working - great people to be around.

Shame the rest of the nurses hated them and ignored them and refused to help them integrate.

Loss of our culture? What culture? There's an enormous amount of cultures coming over with the immigrants and it's all fascinating.

[KlaxonCow]

Britain has a problem with drinking culture in young people

That's a little out of date now.

Drinking has been on the decline and many pubs and clubs are now struggling to survive, with closures happening at increasing rates.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 ... es-suggest
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... te-31-week

The Millennials aren't drinkers, by and large. Much more drinking now happens at home, behind closed doors, with the incredibly cheap supermarket beers - leading to all these pub and club closures, as folks ain't going out much anymore.

Indeed, one possible cause of the pendulum shift in the other direction was that, yes, drinking culture was getting ridiculously out of control in places and I dare say that this, being highly unattractive and rightly highlighted for public mocking in the media, has conspired to put off the younger generations from wanting to emulate any of it.

[PumaG]

Britain has a problem with drinking culture in young people

That's a little out of date now.

Drinking has been on the decline and many pubs and clubs are now struggling to survive, with closures happening at increasing rates.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 ... es-suggest
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... te-31-week

The Millennials aren't drinkers, by and large. Much more drinking now happens at home, behind closed doors, with the incredibly cheap supermarket beers - leading to all these pub and club closures, as folks ain't going out much anymore.

Indeed, one possible cause of the pendulum shift in the other direction was that, yes, drinking culture was getting ridiculously out of control in places and I dare say that this, being highly unattractive and rightly highlighted for public mocking in the media, has conspired to put off the younger generations from wanting to emulate any of it.

Fantastic news for the Police force budgets Policing Uk towns and city centres on saturday nights. My family have had a few issues to raise with community Police and have been met with 'we don't have the resources' . In fact their local Police office was closed down. I'll have this info used.

[PumaG]

When I was working in the hospital, we "imported" foreign nurses who were caring, funny, intelligent and hard-working - great people to be around.

Shame the rest of the nurses hated them and ignored them and refused to help them integrate.

I've been in hospital in the UK twice both ends of the last2 decades and several times prior to that.
I didn't particularly notice an increase in 'foreigners' in-between those more recent visits.
My main Doctors were African on two occasions. They were both more attentive, thorough and clearer than I'd had before, with the exception of a surgeon many many years ago. I wouldn't believe for one minute these Doctors could have been discriminated against and without doubt they would have no problems integrating unless they'd alienated themselves in communities.

Maybe standards are dropping.

[PumaG]

Do we live in a society where the level of political and social discourse has caused someone to become so afraid that we might leave the EU that he would go out and shout right-wing slogans while murdering a popular MP, thus gaining immeasurable support for the remain campaign?

Small price to pay, no?

Ouch!

You're spot on. This event may have swung the electorate to the 'remain' campaign.
It also resembles a conspiracy theory

[gravy]

Fantastic news for the Police force budgets Policing Uk towns and city centres on saturday nights. My family have had a few issues to raise with community Police and have been met with 'we don't have the resources' . In fact their local Police office was closed down. I'll have this info used.

As well as drinking violent crime in general has decreased hugely in the UK over the last few decades.

[PumaG]

Indeed, one possible cause of the pendulum shift in the other direction was that, yes, drinking culture was getting ridiculously out of control in places and I dare say that this, being highly unattractive and rightly highlighted for public mocking in the media, has conspired to put off the younger generations from wanting to emulate any of it.

Fantastic news for the Police force budgets Policing Uk towns and city centres on saturday nights. My family have had a few issues to raise with community Police and have been met with 'we don't have the resources' . In fact their local Police office was closed down. I'll have this info used.

As well as drinking violent crime in general has decreased hugely in the UK over the last few decades.

first google search reveals quite the opposite, backed up by ons.gov.uk, aahhh fuck it

[PumaG]

' “Knife crime is up because police have been told to cut stop and search. That means members of the public who are carrying knives are not being found as much, and they’re using those weapons. It really is that simple.”

lovely

'The ONS said overall crime recorded by the police rose by six per cent in the year to September, including a 27 per cent jump in violence against the person. It amounted to an extra 185,666 violent offences, bringing the annual total to more than 885,000 in England and Wales.'
A leading criminologist said migration patterns were one of the factors in the murder rate rise.'

[gravy]

Have a look at the ONS figures on violent crime and the trend over the last few decades.

It's actually a worldwide trend that people aren't particularly sure what the reason behind it is.

What you're doing is looking out the window, seeing it's raining and then claiming it's a lot wetter these days than it ever used to be

ROLLEYES DOT GIF

[pogo]

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationa ... cember2015

Violent crime is down 67% in 20 years (from 1995 to 2015 - from Table 1).

edit: I see your statistics now. A 6% rise in a year is hardly significant, compared to the 2/3 fall over the last two decades. Crime reduction really has been a great success over this period.

[gravy]

Violent crime is down 67% in 20 years (from 1995 to 2015 - from Table 1).

When did you leave the UK pumag?

And where do you live?

Our homicide rate seems a lot lower than most of Europe

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingdecember2015

Violent crime is down 67% in 20 years (from 1995 to 2015 - from Table 1).

edit: I see your statistics now. A 6% rise in a year is hardly significant, compared to the 2/3 fall over the last two decades. Crime reduction really has been a great success over this period.

Regarding the knife crime increase:

Regarding the latter, there is anecdotal evidence to suggest that a tightening of recording procedures may be contributing to the increase in some forces.

Why didn't you post that pumag?

[PumaG]

Have a look at the ONS figures on violent crime and the trend over the last few decades.

It's actually a worldwide trend that people aren't particularly sure what the reason behind it is.

What you're doing is looking out the window, seeing it's raining and then claiming it's a lot wetter these days than it ever used to be

ROLLEYES DOT GIF

not really, I do see that the Police in the Uk are still incredibly stretched.

There's also an increasing amount of unsocial behaviour with motor vehicles. I observe there are far less traffic Police on the roads. The motorways (in my case M20-M25) are now predominately those relatively new TOS units who can't nick anyone. Ex pats will surely back me up in saying that the UK has the worst lane hogging problem making motorway driving unpleasant to say the least. A new law came out a couple of years ago, yet theres nobody around to enforce it. The law in the Uk seems very soft-touch.

[PumaG]

Why didn't you post that pumag?

I clearly said 'first google search' then 'ahh fuck it'

So, I posted quotes that surprised me, not an invite for another mud slinging contest.

The first google search does suggest more crimes are now recorded, Ive taken that in and also taken in your posts. Prior to this, I've spoken about personal experience and knowing where I feel safe.
My previous hooligan reference is valid, because I see those same people and same aggressive drunken behaviour in UK towns but not in european towns. Britain exports it too.