EU referendum are you in or out

[tufty]

There's also an increasing amount of unsocial behaviour with motor vehicles. I observe there are far less traffic Police on the roads. The motorways (in my case M20-M25) are now predominately those relatively new TOS units who can't nick anyone. Ex pats will surely back me up in saying that the UK has the worst lane hogging problem making motorway driving unpleasant to say the least. A new law came out a couple of years ago, yet theres nobody around to enforce it. The law in the Uk seems very soft-touch.

You don't half talk some shit.

The increase in antisocial behaviour seems to be pretty much generalised across the western world at least. "cunt neighbours" exist, and drivers are aggressive and dangerous, everywhere. Some of this may be subjective, of course - need we mention the following?

The counts of the indictment are luxury, bad manners, contempt for authority, disrespect to elders, and a love for chatter in place of exercise. …

Children began to be the tyrants, not the slaves, of their households. They no longer rose from their seats when an elder entered the room; they contradicted their parents, chattered before company, gobbled up the dainties at table, and committed various offences against Hellenic tastes, such as crossing their legs. They tyrannised over the paidagogoi and schoolmasters.

… usually quoted as …

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

The only specific problem I've seen in the UK in terms of road usage is due to massive overcongestion - even the busiest French motorway (outside of peak times) looks positively deserted compared to the UK's main arteries - this positively encourages bad driving as delays and stress levels rise.

As for drunken behaviour, that's far from UK specific either. You want rough estates with feral youths? Try Marseille. At least the UK's feral youth aren't armed with assault rifles.

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Have a look at the ONS figures on violent crime and the trend over the last few decades.

It's actually a worldwide trend that people aren't particularly sure what the reason behind it is.

What you're doing is looking out the window, seeing it's raining and then claiming it's a lot wetter these days than it ever used to be

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not really, I do see that the Police in the Uk are still incredibly stretched.

There's also an increasing amount of unsocial behaviour with motor vehicles. I observe there are far less traffic Police on the roads. The motorways (in my case M20-M25) are now predominately those relatively new TOS units who can't nick anyone. Ex pats will surely back me up in saying that the UK has the worst lane hogging problem making motorway driving unpleasant to say the least. A new law came out a couple of years ago, yet theres nobody around to enforce it. The law in the Uk seems very soft-touch.

"lane hogging". This has switched from THE UK IS FUCKED to people not driving the way you like it. I'm not even sure how you lane hog on the M25. It's mostly solid across 4 lanes with reduced speed

"Yeah, murder is on the decrease but what about this lane hogging!!!"

Stop wasting my time

[tufty]

[pogo]

I’m sure many know this already but our roads are among the safest in the world. E.g. a quick google finds this

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-863_en.htm

road deaths per million inhabitants in the UK: 29, among the lowest in Europe where the average is 51.5. “lane hogging”?? Who gives a fuck, frankly. Not a crime, barely qualifies as antisocial behaviour.

[gumboot]

It is a lot harder to die when crawling along at 5mph, of course.

[KlaxonCow]

[Darkflame]

One interesting discovery I sort of made. Both reassuring and yet a bit worrying too.
On asking friends of mine that wanted out why they wanted out......they thought they had no influence on EU politics.
They wernt aware they had a vote for representatives.

wtf....is this a anomaly? Or could a lot of this be because large amounts of the public think the EU is completely undemocratic?

(not that I excuse my own ignorance - my wife chastised me for not also pointing out the EU also has plenty of open consultancy which can also influence things)

[PumaG]

I’m sure many know this already but our roads are among the safest in the world. E.g. a quick google finds this

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-863_en.htm

road deaths per million inhabitants in the UK: 29, among the lowest in Europe where the average is 51.5. “lane hogging”?? Who gives a fuck, frankly. Not a crime, barely qualifies as antisocial behaviour.

2 separate issues.

I challenge you to find people who drive a abroad on holiday (a big industry right there) and find people claiming the Uk leg of the trip was the most 'pleasure' . who gives a fuck? for some people these are quality of life issues and Uk roads can be fucking holiday ruiners and make the difference between more people getting the fuck out. 'bank holidays' "stay at home if your trip isn't necessary"
I hear UK motorways are stressful as fuck for commuters. Some people find it's cheaper to buy a car than a train ticket.

french motorways and good lane discipline and attentive of most drivers, contribute to this type of holiday being fucking ace. Plentiful rest stops, lorries banned at weekends and overtaking banned in certain sections.

Congestion also effects UK business using 'just in time' manufacturing. BMW receive an order of bumpers by road every 45 minutes to their mini factory and thats a drop in the ocean.

How come when there is a Police car on display on a UK motorway, driving standards instantly change? or is that an optical illusion?

Some people do give a fuck about Police budgets. I can't see how the riches the Eu has been bringing is improving their budgets , sorry.

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Anti-social behaviour has been on the increase with the feral youth getting their hands on off road motobikes, just as one example, then you've got the cruising scene, which I admit Police have started to target.
Deaths? Britain has a fucking awful death rate among young drivers, high in numbers as often crammed with younger still passengers. Soft-touch Policing I said, kids treating the roads like personal race tracks because there is almost no deterrent.
Italy doesn't allow the modifications that egg these kids on int he first place and it comes down quite hard on the noisy bastards, that although illegal, is not enforced in the UK.

[PumaG]

"Yeah, murder is on the decrease but what about this lane hogging!!!"

Stop wasting my time

My point was, a law was introduced and not enforced due to budget cuts. What a complete cunt you are. You do your best to pick through every, word then skip when it suits you. Almost like you're talking to the forum for a pat on the back.

Obviously Im wasting my time, if you think the lack of Knife searches recently means the murder rate has gone up is meaningless. Again budget cuts and soft-policing my point.

Two ways of spending your time better. Don't be a cunt. Close the fucking door and don't trip yourself up (yet again) on your way out.

[PumaG]

The increase in antisocial behaviour seems to be pretty much generalised across the western world at least. "cunt neighbours" exist, and drivers are aggressive and dangerous, everywhere. Some of this may be subjective, of course - need we mention the following?

Everything in the Uk is bolted down, for fear of theft FFS

Tell me, is it safe not to have a fucking great lock wrapped around my bike in the station car park ? Outside the pub after a ride?

If the answer is 'yes it's safe now' then maybe I am talking shit, and the fact I can travel around europe and not bolt everything down was probably just dream.

[gumboot]

They wernt aware they had a vote for representatives.

wtf....is this a anomaly? Or could a lot of this be because large amounts of the public think the EU is completely undemocratic?

I thought the only people allowed to vote in those are UKIP supporters.

[tufty]

No, really, you're fucking hilarious. Also, a bullshitter.

I observe there are far less traffic Police on the roads. The motorways (in my case M20-M25 …

I hear UK motorways are stressful as fuck for commuters.

So, what are you saying here? You know about the M20 and M25? You only heard about the M20 and M25? What?

And in any case, what does any of this have to do with voting in or out of the EU?

(having done 6 hours from Narbonne to my house on Friday, I can say quite formally that the French are no better than anyone else at lane discipline)

[PumaG]

"lane hogging". This has switched from THE UK IS FUCKED to people not driving the way you like it. I'm not even sure how you lane hog on the M25. It's mostly solid across 4 lanes with reduced speed

"Yeah, murder is on the decrease but what about this lane hogging!!!"

Stop wasting my time

Lets go again. We were discussing a murder this week, you became a cunt and twisted my words. I mention the first google search you became a cunt and twisted my words.

I mention a law introduced to stop lane hogging that would never be enforced due to budget cuts, you became a cunt and twisted my words.


According to you crime is on it's way down, so the riches the EU have brought have been directed elsewhere rather than having the Police twiddle their thumbs.

This is what I said, Until yet again you became a cunt and twisted my words.

A new law came out a couple of years ago, yet theres nobody around to enforce it. The law in the Uk seems very soft-touch.

[PumaG]

No, really, you're fucking hilarious. Also, a bullshitter.

I observe there are far less traffic Police on the roads. The motorways (in my case M20-M25 …

I hear UK motorways are stressful as fuck for commuters.

So, what are you saying here? You know about the M20 and M25? You only heard about the M20 and M25? What?



(having done 6 hours from Narbonne to my house on Friday, I can say quite formally that the French are no better than anyone else at lane discipline)

1. I use the M20-M25 once a month.
2. There is no Police presence due to budget cuts
3. A law was introduced to improve driving standards and cant be enforced due to budget cuts.
4. People tell me that during the rush our (a time I don't use those motorways) they're as stressful as fuck.

And in any case, what does any of this have to do with voting in or out of the EU?

budget cuts you ignorant prick, the EU enriches us remember? Your well funded and generously staffed Police force will suffer if we vote out, so they say. Which means pretty much no Police force then.
The same kind of scaremongering used regarding the strength of the pound, again, as if its been stable anyway.

[gumboot]

They wernt aware they had a vote for representatives.

Thinking about how this could possibly happen when there's news coverage of it when they're on... I blame the internet. People are free to pick and choose each and every news item they view. If it didn't occur to them that something exists they're unlikely to read any news items on it that would make them realise it exists.