EU referendum are you in or out

[PumaG]

I cycle pretty much every day.

I don't count your once a month long motorway drives to the UK coupled with cycling "as much as you can" as you being a UK cyclist or giving a flying fuck about pollution.

I've accepted cycling being harder over here than some EU countries but also pointed out there's a positive trend in the both the amount of cycling and safety of it in the UK too. Which is fair because it's true. Something you've omitted in a desperate scrabble to justify your idiotic prejudice about life in the UK.

Honestly mate, fuck off with your confused nonsense. I don't understand why you're FFSing about leaving your bike outside cafes. I do it, it's not tied down and isn't stolen. Again at complete odds with what you're saying EVERYTHING IN THE UK HAS TO BE TIED DOWN OR IT'S NICKED!!! No it doesn't

Everytime you've been hauled up for talking through your arse you've switched topic; politicisation of Jo Cox's murder to the UK is a shithole to crime in the UK is rife to driving is worse and now cycling. And while moaning about people not staying on topic and your words being twisted (by cunts!)

I get it. You don't like it over here, you don't like any criticism of the right and you don't like liberals and you don't like thinking. You've got your message over now.

The real problem with this thread is people like me actually paying more attention to what you're saying than you are yourself and then trying to deal with it on a rational basis.

And for that, I'm sorry

You've been a judgmental cunt from your first reply and every single other since, and not paid attention, that's the problem. You've had egg on your face 3 times now

I've not stated or showed any encouragement towards the leave campaign or the right. Yet I've upset the apple cart, in what appears to be your safe zone.

You've been a niggly little cunt in other threads, I haven't.

I actively participate in Uk issues. I still have solid family and property links in the UK. Regards to cycling, the local bike shop back in the uk has asked me to support them in having changes made in town. I've expressed personal experiences that you've ignored. I expect you to continue to do so. Your tactic has been to round on me to reveal personal information then riddicule and belittle as if my experiences are meaningless compared to yours. . Which you'll do again, most likely regarding the local bike shop back in the UK.

Take your imaginary stories about me to another thread and I'll come and read them, they're almost entertaining.

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I am judgemental.

I've read every word you've written and judged you to be mental.

It's a fair cop.

[PumaG]

I spend a week there and use my bike as often as possible, inc on the train.

Eh? I'm fairly certain rail operators would disallow that. And it's not like you can get very far, anyway. The carriages are quite short and you'd have to keep stopping to open the doors.

I dont quite fully understand, but yes carrying a bike on the train can be difficult (sshh) Virgin trains have been good.
Parking is poor and theft is common when I cant..
I've used my bike in Strasbourg and Switzerland a fair bit and the parks at stations are incredible.

Of course unlike my other points, I don't think this is related to Eu policy or directive?

Gravy will be a long in a minute to stamp his feet and insult me regardless though.

I took my bike from Bedford to Bletchley park by train and stayed in Milton Keynes with friends enjoying the cycle ways over there and can also get to London via Bletchley with Virgin.

http://www.marstonvalecommunityrail.org ... le-policy/

[PumaG]

I've read every word of what you've said and judged you to be mental.

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I would vote remain if I could, but feel the UK shouldn't pick and choose EU policies to protect rogue businesses. That's the initial reason I entered this thread. It was in regards to transport, of which I've have been involved in locally, in the UK, including involvement with the Police.
I own four different types of vehicle and use public transport in the UK.

let's leave at at that shall we?
go and have a cup of tea and don't watch Chris Evans tonight.

[KlaxonCow]

Honestly mate, fuck off with your confused nonsense. I don't understand why you're FFSing about leaving your bike outside cafes. I do it, it's not tied down and isn't stolen. Again at complete odds with what you're saying EVERYTHING IN THE UK HAS TO BE TIED DOWN OR IT'S NICKED!!! No it doesn't

Also, in the context of the EU, Amsterdam is famous for its policy of officially instructing people, if their bike is nicked, to just nick someone else's bike as a replacement and, in effect, treat all bikes as if collective public property.

[PumaG]

Honestly mate, fuck off with your confused nonsense. I don't understand why you're FFSing about leaving your bike outside cafes. I do it, it's not tied down and isn't stolen. Again at complete odds with what you're saying EVERYTHING IN THE UK HAS TO BE TIED DOWN OR IT'S NICKED!!! No it doesn't

Also, in the context of the EU, Amsterdam is famous for its policy of officially instructing people, if their bike is nicked, to just nick someone else's bike as a replacement and, in effect, treat all bikes as if collective public property.

Also, I've found 2 bikes outside my house in Belgium over a few years, left up against one for the trees that line the street. They get claimed eventually. Theyre usually 'borrowed' likely by someone needed to get home from the local cafe late at night.
Our touring bikes and shoppers have locks built-in to the rear wheel so they cant be 'borrowed' and they are sufficient for train stations and all-nighters at cafes.

This compared to bolt cropped heavy duty chains lying in UK train stations and nobody I know in the UK, except gravy, who would leave a bike outside a pub all night. Pubs I might add that nail down the furniture, contrary to gravy's lies. (mentioned whilst being abused re: Police cuts- EU makes us richer)

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I wouldn't do that either and have never said I would either.

And most pubs don't nail their furniture down. Shit ones in shit areas maybe but you can't hold everyone else to blame for your poor choice in pubs.

[PumaG]

I wouldn't do that either and have never said I would either.

to be fair, leaving it all out night (like we do here) wouldn't be related to my point about police cuts either. but people running off with them in the day (in Bedford, Luton and Milton Keynes), could be

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Again I have never said I'd leave my bike out all night anywhere unlocked.

I've just pointed out that things not nailed down in UK don't get nicked. That's just sensationalist bollocks.

[PumaG]

I wouldn't do that either and have never said I would either.

And most pubs don't nail their furniture down. Shit ones in shit areas maybe but you can't hold everyone else to blame for your poor choice in pubs.

I'm not in the habbit of choosing when on a bike, it's an observation when I decide to stop because it sticks out like a sore thumb, Ive noticed at least one pup local to family in UK that chain their benches up at night.
Always an insult or jibe with you isn't it.

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What city in Europe has the worst bike theft incidence?

Hint: it's not London

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I wouldn't do that either and have never said I would either.

And most pubs don't nail their furniture down. Shit ones in shit areas maybe but you can't hold everyone else to blame for your poor choice in pubs.

I'm not in the habbit of choosing when on a bike, it's an observation when I decide to stop because it sticks out like a sore thumb, Ive noticed at least one pup local to family in UK that chain their benches up at night.
Always an insult or jibe with you isn't it.

One pub. Brilliant.

[PumaG]

Again I have never said I'd leave my bike out all night anywhere unlocked.

I've just pointed out that things not nailed down in UK don't get nicked. That's just sensationalist bollocks.

Yes it was a misunderstanding, Im in the habbit of leaving them out all night and day without worry.

If you want to deny that UK cyclists worry about their bikes, or pubs don't put chains around their furniture, your just proving what a niggly little prick you are.
Bike security is hot topic in Uk cycle forums, same with motorcycles.

[PumaG]

I wouldn't do that either and have never said I would either.

And most pubs don't nail their furniture down. Shit ones in shit areas maybe but you can't hold everyone else to blame for your poor choice in pubs.

I'm not in the habbit of choosing when on a bike, it's an observation when I decide to stop because it sticks out like a sore thumb, Ive noticed at least one pup local to family in UK that chain their benches up at night.
Always an insult or jibe with you isn't it.

One pub. Brilliant.

it isn't though is it

http://www.iwcp.co.uk/news/news/pub-fur ... 44991.aspx

http://www.chad.co.uk/news/crime/furnit ... -1-7016138

an obnoxious prick replied to the second one, claiming it was a lie! what a coincidence!

I'll get you photos of rattan furniture in decent areas with chains around, next time Im in the uk. youre such an un-trusting warped minded prick. Stick to your Internet safe zone.

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Again I have never said I'd leave my bike out all night anywhere unlocked.

I've just pointed out that things not nailed down in UK don't get nicked. That's just sensationalist bollocks.

Yes it was a misunderstanding, Im in the habbit of leaving them out all night and day without worry.

If you want to deny that UK cyclists worry about their bikes, or pubs don't put chains around their furniture, your just proving what a niggly little prick you are.
Bike security is hot topic in Uk cycle forums, same with motorcycles.

I don't deny that.

Conversely though saying everything has to be tied down or its nicked is a lie.

As is pubs having to bolt down furniture or it gets nicked. The majority don't. Saying anything else again, is lie.

The extent of either have minimal impact on most people's quality of life here in the UK and to cite either as justification for claiming the UK is an awful place to live is insane.

Is this really the criteria you used in making the decision to move to Belgium? I'm tending to agree with Klaxon here; you're locked in a loop of post rationalization and have zero interest in the facts of the matter.