EU referendum are you in or out

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In other news, if you really needed any more incentive to vote remain:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/m ... _hp_ref=uk

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And

oof!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 93616.html


Anyone watching the debate?

[PumaG]

You're posting pissed aren't you?

If theres one thing I will never blame anyone for its getting pissed as a response to modern politics.
Its probably the correct response.

Whose idea was it to start politics threads in a fluffy forum anyway? A forum full of 40-50 somethings who play Nintendo plus the Jeff 'n' Giles games of course, as and when they're released.

[gumboot]

A friend of mine on Facebook posted something I felt pretty much sums up the choice being offered;

For those of you undecided on the EU referendum i have a quick guide for you.

1) To vote to leave (like me) you will be voting for the tax dodging corrupt money grabbing self serving Government of rich people who have no concept of what normal working people do who we voted for and can vote out every 5 years.

2) To vote remain you will be voting for the tax dodging corrupt money grabbing self serving Government of rich people who have no concept of what normal working people do who you DIDN'T vote for and cannot vote out ever."

You and Darkflame appear to have a friend in common.

[VNVObit]

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I've made typos, not spelling errors

[PumaG]

I've made typos, not spelling errors

http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/un ... athic-pain

try putting me down with the actual content and quotes in your links, not just the slightly out of context headlines

[Wudzi]

Anyone watching the debate?

[PumaG]

Puma and Pogo you should start a thread together!



Interesting realities on EU law from a Liverpool professor (video) :

https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06/16 ... um-debate/

nice link too

[Barney]

If he was writing about his wife's murder weeks before she was killed, don't you think the police should know?

I'm sure he would have done, but he was detained by transport police for trying to ride his bike on a train.

[Space Cowboy]

Why you should vote leave tomorrow ...

I don't think I have met anyone who does not think the official campaigns have been woeful. The Leave campaign has been obstinate, fact free, disorganised and in recent weeks has degenerated to being Ukip on steroids. The Remain campaign has been devious, amoral, condescending and untruthful.

Were this an election you would abstain. But it isn't an election. And though the issues are many and complex, the question could not be clearer. Do you want Britain to be a subordinate of a supreme government for Europe?

... unless you're happy for Britain to be a subordinate of a supreme government for Europe?

From http://peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2016/ ... se-if.html

[Barney]

I don't think I have met anyone who does not think the official campaigns have been woeful. The Leave campaign has been obstinate, fact free, disorganised and in recent weeks has degenerated to being Ukip on steroids. The Remain campaign has been devious, amoral, condescending and untruthful.

Is that the Peter North?

And he forgot that leave supporters are also murderous.

[Darkflame]

devious, amoral, condescending and untruthful.

the question could not be clearer. subordinate of a supreme government for Europe?

How can anyone write those back to back with a straight face?

[Space Cowboy]

How can anyone ask that question - are you denying the first quote? Do you not understand that the ultimate aim of the EU project is to be the government for Europe? It may take a long time but voting to remain is to remain on that path to full political and fiscal union.

[pogo]

How can anyone ask that question - are you denying the first quote? Do you not understand that the ultimate aim of the EU project is to be the government for Europe? It may take a long time but voting to remain is to remain on that path to full political and fiscal union.

Nope. You know that Cameron negotiated an opt-out from ever closer union, pre-referendum? Well, that was the most pointless concession he won, as ever closer union is dead. It would require a new treaty ceding more powers to Brussels, and such a treaty would be vetoed not just by Britain but by probably half a dozen other countries, many of them via referendums. Further political union was impossible before the crisis, it is even more dead now, with the eurozone crisis and the migration crisis poisoning relationships between countries.