EU referendum are you in or out

[KlaxonCow]

Longer term Scotland will split and be back in.

Indeed, England and Wales just effectively voted to dissolve the United Kingdom.

Scotland will have a second referendum on leaving the UK - rightly so, looking at the results map, where Remain had the majority across the entirety of Scotland (no blue "Leave" at all) - and they'll win independence. Because the UK barely survived the last Scottish referendum and this is worse still. It betrays all the promises that were made to just barely get Scotland to stay with the UK last time, and that's all gone now.

The Union is basically dead already. Just a matter of time to go through the motions of making it happen.

Time to start choosing a new flag. Ironically enough, considering it was the one that the Brexiters were all waving.

[Dio]

they can disregard it in theory, but in practice it would probably be very unwise.

On the plus side , Cameron has said he will resign. Silver lining and all?

Oh yes, I'm so happy that Boris will be PM in a couple of months!

[Space Cowboy]

Cameron's resignation seems to me to be an act of spite, so much for Britain's best interests.

[Baggypants]

Hail King Boris

[Space Cowboy]

Hail King Boris

That's fear mongering.

I hope.

[k345y]

Cameron's resignation seems to me to be an act of spite, so much for Britain's best interests.

I'm no fan of Cameron but, it's certainly not an act of spite.

He was firmly remain and now the leave camp have won they want him to stay and sort out the mess they have created, in essence do all their dirty work for them.
No, it's not spite, it's common sense.
Let them that created this deal with it.

[tufty]

Cameron's resignation seems to me to be an act of spite, so much for Britain's best interests.

He couldn't possibly remain. He conjured up this idiocy in order to get elected, and has been firmly for remaining, without ever managing to run a sensible campaign. If you sail out to sea, drill holes in the bottom of your boat and then tie yourself to the mast, the outcome is pretty much foregone.

In saying he'll resign, he's showing, for the first time, a slight glimmer of honour.

And it'll give hime more time to spend with his pork chops.

[Dio]

Cameron had to go, immediately. Absolutely no choice.

How can he negotiate to leave? He doesn't want to go. He can't make any decisions, because the Leave camp will be sat on his shoulder harping on about him doing the wrong thing. I mean, even today - let's say the B of E decided to raise interest rates to slow the fall of the pound, who should they be talking to politically about that? If the Leave-rs think that's spite - the entire establishment is against them of course - then there will be all sorts of screams and attacks. Cameron and Osbourne are therefore effectively totally hamstrung by this 'shadow' leave government, and there's no point at all in them continuing, so bailing now and sorting it out over the recess is by far the most sensible plan.

Then also, if Cameron stays he becomes Gordon Brown, to be blamed for the next 5-10 years for every problem that's actually nothing to do with him and all the "fault" of us leaving the EU. If he does any negotiating he can be blamed for the "bad deal" we end up with. He cannot possibly stay in those circumstances (and I said that four months ago).

(Plus, who on earth would want to stay? Negotiate a treaty you don't believe in? Work out what the fuck to do about Scotland and Ireland, and possibly be "responsible" for the break-up of the UK over an issue that's not yours to champion? No thanks.)

The pleadings for him to stay are at best misguided and at worst disingenuous - I think some people would probably quite like him to stay so they can heap blame for any ensuing mess on him and keep their halos rather than having to deal with the tough issues themselves.

And it surely can't be anyone else but Boris to replace him. Who else? Gove? The remain-but-very-quiet Theresa May? A newly-merged-back-to-the-Tories Farage? Astonishingly unlikely.

[Misfit]

Do you think if we did a re-vote next week it would be different?

The few pro leave in the office already have cold feet....

[Space Cowboy]

How can he negotiate to leave? He doesn't want to go. He can't make any decisions, because the Leave camp will be sat on his shoulder harping on about him doing the wrong thing.

You're right, it still feels like the timing was a bit off for me, but then maybe that would always have been the case.

I really can't see Boris becoming PM, and certainly not Farage. Osborne perhaps?

[Darkflame]

Cameron's resignation seems to me to be an act of spite, so much for Britain's best interests.

Its so he isn't blamed for triggering the protocol that sets it all in motion.
History books - simplifying everything - will remember him as the one that was against it, and his successor as the one that actually made the uk leave.

Do you think if we did a re-vote next week it would be different?

Of course. And a re-re-vote the week after.
Just the nature of voting really.

[gravy]

Osborne's as tightly hitched to no brexit as Cameron.


Boris, Theresa May and possibly Gove will be trying to get it

[Dio]

Osbourne was just as in as Cameron was, his career's over.

Remember it's decided by a party membership who are > 75% leave-rs. Anyone who's not leave is going to struggle for legitimacy exactly the same way Cameron would have.

Therefore it simply has to be Boris, surely. The only outside chance is May because she said Remain once and never again, but in a race between those two, who's going to win?

[Dio]

Although John Pienaar has just pointed out that the MPs choose the candidates who are put to the membership, and they might well choose to block Boris for being a cynical twat.

He didn't phrase it quite like that mind.

[Meow]

Britain did the right thing. You've now got a chance to make Britain great again. It's wonderful news....