EU referendum are you in or out

[KlaxonCow]

Ah, I never thought of it from the Westminster side of things.

And, yes, that's a good point. Can the executive - that is, the Prime Minister and cabinet - unilaterally invoke Article 50 without Parliament's approval? After all, such a major constitutional change can surely not occur without the consent of the Mother of All Parliaments?

I don't know. But, yes, if it needs the MPs to back it and then the Lords to let it through, when most of them don't want Brexit in any measure, then that's going to be throwing the cat amongst the pigeons.

[Meow]

Do you know what I find really funny. It's not legally binding the referendum. The British government could put a vote parliament. But Cameron doesn't have the balls to do it. He runs aways crying instead and quits.

[Cloudane]

I've seen some argument (not sure if here or elsewhere) that they might take article 50 to have already been invoked simply from the 'notification' made by the televised referendum.
http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-li ... le-50.html
It does only say "notify of its intention" which effectively is what we've done, albeit indirectly.
Probably depends how pissed off they are, and they seem pretty pissed. There's all this talk of "it's not legally binding" and "maybe we can have a second referendum" but in gaming terms, we've attacked the 'EU' NPC now and it's aggro'd. No going back now.

[Baggypants]

Do you know what I find really funny. It's not legally binding the referendum. The British government could put a vote parliament. But Cameron doesn't have the balls to do it. He runs aways crying instead and quits.

Any party that decides the referendum was "advisary" would find they've commited political suicide. Remember the Liberals at the last election?

[Meow]

Do you know what I find really funny. It's not legally binding the referendum. The British government could put a vote parliament. But Cameron doesn't have the balls to do it. He runs aways crying instead and quits.

Any party that decides the referendum was "advisory" would find they've committed political suicide. Remember the Liberals at the last election?

What does matter if you're the PM and you've got 4 months to quit.

[gravy]

It'll be decided by a vote in parliament not on the concept of leaving the EU but the details of the negotiation to leave.

And they may well be something the house will not pass. Depends on what's in it and how parliament is divided by party when it finally happens.

[Ollie]

Lol



Well it's his own fault but it's an understandable position.

Yeah, but there's an obvious response: he should do the hard shit because it's his job. If he'd made it clear when he stood for leadership, "Hey guys, just so you know, if shit gets hard I'm outta here," how many people would have voted for him?

[zip accident]

Do you know what I find really funny. It's not legally binding the referendum. The British government could put a vote parliament. But Cameron doesn't have the balls to do it. He runs aways crying instead and quits.

Any party that decides the referendum was "advisary" would find they've commited political suicide. Remember the Liberals at the last election?

Not the same thing. The liberals went into the coalition with the intention of getting proportional representation, they failed. I (among others I presume) might have forgiven them the coalition if they'd got PR, but without it, they were just shoring up an atrocity for no benefit.

If there is as much morning after regret as people seem to be saying, a party that sank this decision might do rather well out of it. It's not as if this was an overwhelming result, it's easily within a 5% swing.

OTOH, I do feel that the die has been cast, rolled and landed, and there ought to be no going back without some external change, though I would rather like it if some reason/excuse did turn up.

Yeah, but there's an obvious response: he should do the hard shit because it's his job. If he'd made it clear when he stood for leadership, "Hey guys, just so you know, if shit gets hard I'm outta here," how many people would have voted for him?

I don't think that's reasonable, the job didn't include running Brexit when he applied for it, if your job description changes too much quitting is always an option, some people do it just because they get fed up with it, without the job changing at all (not allowed benefits if you resign since I think Thatcher, but you can always quit).

[Cloudane]

Corbyn fans not wanting him kicked out might want to get in on this one https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/ ... ter-brexit

[KlaxonCow]

but in gaming terms, we've attacked the 'EU' NPC now and it's aggro'd. No going back now.

And, apparently, the current strategy at the moment is just to kite them around in circles.

[Jamesac]

Poor Obama got his ass kicked in 2012. President Romney seems to have worked out ok, though.

[Whiteball]

I see reporting is no different now to what it was before - ie. biased.

The news reports the footsie was down blah blah. They failed to then say it actually finished up higher than it was the week before!

Nobody knows at this point what is going to happen. Wait till the dust settles. It's almost as bad as the two sides giving us arguments asgainst each other instread of real cold hard facts that are actuall reality not possible realities.

And remember, like I said before I voted remain. Can't believe how everyone is carrying on...

Well except people are reacting to the EU's position on how the UK need to leave, the reality of the pound collapse and that this won't mean extra money for the NHS.

During the campaign lots of assertion were made by both sides but there's a shit load of actual information now the vote is done and dusted.

Not sure why you think people should just ignore that. Do you think people should keep their mouths shut while the car careers towards the wall and only pipe up after its crashed?

No, but no-one knows anything yet because everything thus far is just rhetoric.

Until something actually gets done in any of this by 'us' or 'them' and people start actually taking action it is just all conjecture.

[F-ZeroOne]

Have to admit, with everything else going on I failed to put together this comment from one of the leading lights of Brexit and why some people were so upset about it:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 99211.html#

(warning, video will autoplay).

Now I've rather belatedly woken up to it... well, I didn't have any regard for him in the first place (he may get round to defining a "life-threatening disease" one day) but now...

[Harlequin]

Johnson said we could have another referendum in the past and he's exceedingly fond of himself so who knows, this story might not be finished.

He specifically said we should if the result was 52%/48%.

[Edit: Or was that Farage?]

(Although he was thinking 52% Remain).

It was already totally shit for me. I couldn't even afford home. 100% of my money went on a room. How did the EU make my life better. I guess cheaper cheese and milk and straight cucumbers.

100% of your money went on a room? You were living with me rent-free for five years, two years of which were after you had hooked up with your current wealthy partner. After that, you moved into his house.

Yeah, but there's an obvious response: he should do the hard shit because it's his job. If he'd made it clear when he stood for leadership, "Hey guys, just so you know, if shit gets hard I'm outta here," how many people would have voted for him?

I don't think that's reasonable, the job didn't include running Brexit when he applied for it, if your job description changes too much quitting is always an option, some people do it just because they get fed up with it, without the job changing at all (not allowed benefits if you resign since I think Thatcher, but you can always quit).

Did he not make it his job when he put the referendum in his manifesto? There was no mention of waiting months for a change of leadership when he stated, earlier this year, that if Leave won he would immediately invoke Article 50.

Corbyn fans not wanting him kicked out might want to get in on this one https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/ ... ter-brexit

Thank you. I have already signed it, myself.

[Cloudane]

but in gaming terms, we've attacked the 'EU' NPC now and it's aggro'd. No going back now.

And, apparently, the current strategy at the moment is just to kite them around in circles.

It takes a lot to make me chuckle out loud. Well played

Have to admit, with everything else going on I failed to put together this comment from one of the leading lights of Brexit and why some people were so upset about it:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 99211.html#

(warning, video will autoplay).

Now I've rather belatedly woken up to it... well, I didn't have any regard for him in the first place (he may get round to defining a "life-threatening disease" one day) but now...

That's the victory clip I've been going on about where frankly I was reminded far too much of old videos of Hitler yelling his things.
Genuinely scary (well, more so at the half-asleep state I saw it) - I think it was at about that point (about 4am? That's when I saw it) that I thought fuck the world and went to sleep, hoping not to wake up again.