EU referendum are you in or out

[The ghost of raids past]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36632956

Corbyn may not survive the morning

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36632956

Corbyn may not survive the morning

Labour won't be happy until they've got another Tony Blair in.

[phattslagg]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36632956

Corbyn may not survive the morning

Labour won't be happy until they've got another Tony Blair in.

And Labour still won't be happy then, either.

Both the major parties in this country are pretty boned right now, I think.

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That online poll for another referendum?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/w ... gwe2whr529

[phattslagg]

Thanks for posting that - gave me the first really good laugh since Thursday

[snaff]

The FTSE 100 is down 2% from a month ago - doesn't really justify the BBC making it look like Lady Di just died or something.

But housebuilders and property companies:

Persimmon -27%
Savills -20%
Foxtons - 20%

in a day.

Obviously the main driver of inflated asset prices is British government policy but early signs are that this is a really positive step in the right direction.

[fritx]

I can only begin to imagine how butthurt the Stuart Campbell is right now. I came here to taunt him but he's nowhere to be found.
I'm personally delighted by this result. Not only do we get to shed a whole layer of bureaucracy but we get rid of the pig-fucker as well.
Happy days.

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Lol. This is awesome for Campbell - it's delivered him a concrete commitment to indyref2 in a context far more likely to give him what he wants.

I am amazed at how hard of understanding some brexiteers seem to be.

[offyoutoddle]

suggestions are that Scotland could veto the decision to leave the EU. I wonder if that is wild talk or something that Nicola Sturgeon et al are seriously considering recommending a vote on in Holyrood. I wonder more how successful it could be, and what the ramifications of it happening would be.

[pogo]

That would be weird, Scotland leaving the UK, joining the EU, but using Sterling as a currency. Surely nobody would join the Euro nowadays.

They can’t use Sterling. An independent Scotland needs its own currency. Keeping Sterling would be economically disastrous.

The problem would be the same as the euro – monetary union without political and fiscal union. Except at least the euro has one central bank, the ECB, setting the interest rate for the whole eurozone, acting as lender of last resort. I.e. Scotland would be in economically weaker circumstances than Spain or Greece, and it would not take a decade for problems to arise, as it took with the euro.

And even if they were prepared to put up with that they need their own currency to join the EU as they need it to join the euro. Every new EU member needs to adopt the euro. Not immediately but as soon as they are ready, with their currency pegged to the euro in ERM II, so convergence can be tested against that peg, with the peg eventually becoming a fix, and laws passed that convert all of the currency in circulation into euros.

Of course 15 or 20 years from now when an independent Scotland eventually meets the Maastricht criteria the euro will likely be in a very different place, either with full fiscal union or largely dismantled. But the rules today say countries joining need to adopt the euro, and for the they need their own currency.

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Remember the issue about currency stemmed from the pound being seen as a much stronger currency than the euro.

All bets are off now, it's completely possible that will change.

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Tim Farron announcing they'll campaign on not leaving the EU at the next election.

This is significant. They'll never have a huge amount of seats but if we end up with a minority government again they could end up with a lot of power.

[Governmentyard]

That online poll for another referendum?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/w ... gwe2whr529

Well, why not? The referendum on whether to leave or not was started by Cameron, in the remain camp.

I'd imagine the person behind this half-arsed Labour 'coup' is Corbyn himself at this rate.

[Governmentyard]

I can only begin to imagine how butthurt the Stuart Campbell is right now. I came here to taunt him but he's nowhere to be found.
I'm personally delighted by this result. Not only do we get to shed a whole layer of bureaucracy but we get rid of the pig-fucker as well.
Happy days.

The Rev fucked a pig?

[Meow]

Pig-gate, eh, tabloid crap. More interested in what he can do now than what he allegedly did drunk one day as a kid.

Well he wasn't a child and the news spread around the world that. He was seen as a laughing stock for quite awhile.

Attacks on the disabled and pensioners are the tory party itself being a collective shithead. Keep in mind the PM is a figurehead

Yes. Yes they are, always have been unpleasant party and the PM is the big cheese that takes the responsibility.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... lfare-cuts

I head the this morning on the beeb it was 4 out 10 scots that also wanted to leave. You get the impression that was the whole of scotland wanted to stay. Judging by that map. The Irish has a very low turn out. It almost like they didn't care.