EU referendum are you in or out

[KlaxonCow]

Speaking of Boaty McBoatface, if Scotland do leave and, thus, bring an end to the UK, requiring us to come up with a new name for what remains, then I'm getting the suggestion of "The People's Republic of Boaty McBoatface" in early.

And the new flag should be pink and hexagonal - just because that'll be really awkward - with a picture a giraffe eating a banana on it. Because giraffes are awesome.

Yes, I'm reaching the point where, in the face of this farcical omnishambles called Brexit, I'm slowly beginning to lose the capacity to take any of it too seriously.

[gumboot]

Yeah, I'm sick of all that brown coming over with their muslamic rayguns stealing our benefits too! Wish I'd voted out, now.

[KlaxonCow]

Interesting little fact.

Yesterday, in one single day, the UK lost the equivalent of around 30 years of contributions to the EU. Thirty fucking years. Three oh.

So much for the "let's spend what we save from not contributing to the EU on the NHS" promises.

And, okay, that was a massive drop from the shock, so it likely won't remain that way. But, still, the pound is weak and it'll probably take some time to recover back to where it was - after all, both Cameron and Boris have stressed that there's no need for haste and that we're going to be sitting in this limbo for at least 3 months before the coronation of King Boris to see if he even has the balls to invoke Article 50 at all, an uncertainty that's hardly going to help the markets - so you also have to consider that we're also probably going to lose the equivalent of our daily EU contribution every day anyway for the foreseeable.

We've saved nothing. It's cost us dearly already.

And that's before we've even left the EU properly and negotiated new trade deals, where we'll have to start paying tariffs to EU countries... and there's no guarantee that any deals we make as an independent UK with non-EU countries will be as good, if not much worse, than what we've gotten with them via the EU. After all, the UK might be the world's fifth - sorry, sixth, thanks to that one day loss - biggest economy, but the EU is the world's biggest market. Bluntly, we're simply nowhere near as interesting for investment as the EU is to outside parties and we've surrendered our useful role in the Western World of being the English-speaking European nation that allows the US, Canada, Australia, etc. to gain access to EU markets and decisions through us. Why should they really give much of a shit about us, honestly?

One day. And nothing, in fact, has even technically happened yet. Fuck me.

[Dio]

People saying this have a good point, but they should also remember a ship which never did get called Boaty McBoatface.

In which case though UKIP gets 10m+ votes at the next GE surely?

The Tories now know their own supporters are way over 50% for exit. What percentage of those voters are they prepared to give up at the next election? And how many of the remainers will switch to any party offering a pro-EU vision?

A referendum that was meant to fix the Tory divisions could easily eviscerate them instead. I mean, really, where are they going to stand if there is a snap GE? They could go solidly Leave, and give up the centre-right. They could go solidly Remain, maybe with some additional concession, and watch a third to half their vote evaporate to UKIP. Or they could continue to try and walk the line but then surely they haemorrhage on both sides?

In such an environment they may very strongly regret not going AV, or even full PR.

[Muttley]

No, I was being silly. I just made up looking at that map. b/c it was mostly shades brown in the English parts.

Fuck you. Fuck you with a stick. Really, you stupid fucking cunt.

Well your map was as brown as mine. What about Scotland? Not single shades of brown considering 4 out 10 decide to leave.

The only thing brown here is the shit between your ears...

[pogo]

The list of those resigning from Labour has grown since The ghost of raids past posted it. Now its

• Lord Falconer, shadow justice secretary
  Chris Bryant, Shadow leader of the House of Commons
  Heidi Alexander, shadow health secretary
  Lucy Powell, shadow education secretary
  Vernon Coaker, shadow Northern Ireland secretary
  Ian Murray, shadow Scottish secretary - and Labour's only MP in Scotland
  Kerry McCarthy, shadow environment secretary
  Seema Malhotra, shadow chief secretary to the Treasury
  Lillian Greenwood, shadow transport secretary
  Gloria de Piero, shadow minister for young people and voter registration
  Karl Turner, the shadow attorney general, also resigned. His is not a shadow cabinet post, but he attends meetings.

You can see why. It’s not so much the mounting evidence that Corbyn is utterly unsuited for the job. The bad to catastrophic elections in May. the Vice documentary that shone a harsh light on his amateurism. The anti-semitism embarrassments. The lifeless Remain campaign. He has been performing appallingly but no-one expected any better.

What’s stirred them into action is the real possibility that the next election might be sooner than 2020. Either the government might collapse, or they might feel the decision about how and whether to cut our links with the EU is too big for the government to decide, and it needs to be put to the electorate. Or both. Such an election looks very winnable, with the Tories in disarray and voters looking for an alternative. But they need someone other than Corbyn in charge, to have a real chance.

[Darkflame]

I missed this;
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu- ... m-36634407
Apparently that big petition going around was started by a Leave person that thought they were going to lose

Most of that petition is bogus.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215.json

We'll soon see. It's being investigated, fraudulent emails will be removed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36634407

EDIT: In fact it's had a pass and 77k signatures were removed and it's still on 3.2m and growing

You are reposting the same link I posted in the first quote, which mentioned the investigation which Meow seems to think I wasnt aware of

[Ollie]

Expats also calling for a second referendum after finding that their postal votes didn't arrive on time

I think people in this country have had enough of expats.

[Mayhem]

@Ethel Merman, the Tories aren't so weak-kneed as Gordon Brown. You will very likely get an election, presumably with the immovable Jezzer at the helm to oversee the decimation of the late-great Labour party.

Except due to the Fixed-Term Parliaments Act of 2011, the Government by itself can't call a new general election this early. The only provisions now for a new election prior to 2020 would be:

- a motion of no confidence is passed in Her Majesty's Government by a simple majority and 14 days elapses without the House passing a confidence motion in any new Government formed OR
- a motion for a general election is agreed by two thirds of the total number of seats in the Commons including vacant seats.

[Absolute_Zero]

Is the Labour party going to vote for the continuance of a Conservative Government? I doubt it. They'd be a laughing stock.

[pogo]

I heard someone say in one of the news reports that the only government that seemed prepared for the outcome of the referendum was the Scottish one. But I don’t think that is accurate, as at least one other government seemed ready for the Brexit result. Spain.

Brexit: Spain calls for joint control of Gibraltar

That’s from Friday, as soon as the result was announced. I doubt they were taken by surprise or unprepared. I think this has been under discussion for some time.

It’s possible to interpret this as a practical measure. A Britain outside the EU, outside the Internal Market, with no free movement of people, would mean a closed Spanish-Gibraltar border. As that’s Gibraltar’s only border it would be disastrous for Gibraltar, and they would need to come to some sort of arrangement.

But I think this is the wrong interpretation. Spain is not interested in good-will practical measures to help Gibraltar. They want sovereignty over it. And they now have a way to get it. Any deal with Britain after Article 50 is invoked requires the agreement of all countries. Every EU country has a veto. Spain could just make the deal conditional on Gibraltar’s sovereignty. No wonder the enclave voted 96.9% for Remain. They know what’s coming if Britain leaves the EU.



That’s one part of Spain’s interest. Their other interest is in the fate of Scotland. They don’t want it to be easy for Scotland to leave the UK and rejoin the EU as an independent country. The reason is they have their own restive territories, in particular Catalonia, who could use Scotland rejoining the EU as a model for their own divorce from Spain. The harder it is for Scotland, the more it discourages Catalonia. And Spain gets a veto too over any deal that lets Scotland into the EU.

[Cloudane]

Not sure whether people can see this without being in the hands of Suckerberg, but just shows how hatred has completely exploded since racists were emboldened by Brexit. Utterly depressing and makes me feel ashamed to be British.

https://www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc. ... 985&type=3

Still not quite on the emigration research bandwagon though - sticking around and fixing the broken thing instead of bailing was, after all, one of the remain arguments. Fucking off to Canada and leaving all the racists on this little island is bound to look more and more tempting if this doesn't settle down though.

[(o)(o)]

The list of those resigning from Labour has grown since The ghost of raids past posted it. Now its...

Gloria de Piero (Ashfield) Leave 69.84%
Tristram Hunt (Stoke-on-Trent Central) Leave 69.34%
Caroline Flint (Don Valley) Doncaster Leave 69%
Dan Jarvis (Barnsley Central) Leave 68.31%
Margaret Hodge (Barking) Leave 62.44%
John Woodcock (Barrow and Furness) Leave 60.62%
Stephen Kinnock (Aberavon)/Neath,Port Talbot Leave 56.84%
Angela Smith (Penistone & Stocksbridge) Sheffield Leave 50.99%
Lillian Greenwood (Nottingham South) Leave 50.84%
Chris Leslie (Nottingham East) Leave 50.84%

See if you can detect anything wrong with this picture.

You can see why. It’s not so much the mounting evidence that Corbyn is utterly unsuited for the job. The bad to catastrophic elections in May. the Vice documentary that shone a harsh light on his amateurism. The anti-semitism embarrassments. The lifeless Remain campaign. He has been performing appallingly but no-one expected any better.

Just opinion stated as fact as usual with your anti-Corbyn blather.

What’s stirred them into action is the real possibility that the next election might be sooner than 2020..

Guardian commentator..

I mean, let's be honest. This whole thing is so ridiculously staged that it's pretty obvious it's been planned.

Hilary Benn has been sniffing around for support for a coup, the careerist little shit that he is, and the people who are 'resigning with heavy conscience (lol)' have been up to their necks in this shit for weeks if not months.

Rather than do it en masse, they're drip feeding their resignations to keep the story live, aided and abetted by their poodles in the press (and you know who you are).

Well fuck off the lot of you. We didn't fall for the 'we know what's best' shite Scottish Labour came out with and punted them in favour of a party that did. If you keep on with this bollocks then no doubt your supporters in England will do the same if they're not already.

[(o)(o)]

Not sure whether people can see this without being in the hands of Suckerberg, but just shows how hatred has completely exploded since racists were emboldened by Brexit.

Not just emboldened. Some fuckwits think LEAVE means "foreigns" now have to pack their bags and leave the UK :

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -and-wales

[toxibunny]

So, as a Brit living abroad in the EU, I'm now wondering 'what does this mean?' I figure my passport is going to be no good as general everyday proof-of-identity, and I'm now wondering about citizenship - I'm in Finland, for those who don't know, and I'm married with kids, so I doubt they'd throw me out, but I've never had to think of citizenship before - I always figured 'I'm EU, I'm as much a citizen as I need to be', but now I just don't know. Should I apply for dual-citizenship now? Will it be harder/more expensive now that Britain has voted to move out? Will it be harder/more expensive later when they've (I guess I should say 'we've') actually moved out? I just don't know.

FWIW, as a Brit abroad, I would have voted to stay. I've just been so long abroad that even though I saw the conversation about it, it never even crossed my mind that I *could* vote. It all just seemed so far away. I read that the referendum was called by Cameron, who was against it. Given the financial troubles of the last few years, and the associated swing to the right (across the whole of the affected area, afaict), as a 'remainer' I have to say, that I think it was idiotic to hold a referendum at this time...