EU referendum are you in or out

[Cloudane]

Second referendum ruled out. So we can put that one to bed now http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 05596.html

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Gideon Rachman weighs in on the way forward:

I do not believe that Brexit will happen

His take is that the EU has had referenda before that end up being re-run or worked around. Why not this time? All it needs is moderates on both sides to work towards a solution.

[Barney]

Why would they welcome a country so monumentally shit that not even Stuart Campbell wants to live there. When Scotland secedes we should deport him from Bath and make him go and live in Fraserburgh, the grizzling hypocrite that he is.
The EU already got its quota of spiteful ginger tosscakes and foul-tasting spirits when they let the ROI join. I doubt they need more smackheads or fried Marsbars.

Wow. I did wonder if the frankly startling amount of racism that's being reported on social media at present might be some sort of campaign managed and cherry-picked by frustrated remainers but having seen that...

I have no words.

[gilesgoat]

Second referendum ruled out. So we can put that one to bed now http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 05596.html

Has to be said it sounds lightly hypocrite to say "let's delay so people can go on holiday" .. I mean I can understand all the rest but this .. it's really a bit like "when it's about fun and such it's nice to have open borders/EU so one can go around, when it's about serious issues like work and immigration NOT" ..

That really sounds a bit like "yeah but no yeah" ..

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when evidently the majority of Labour supporters voted remain,

Did they? do we know that?

Sure is some erudite and adult conversation going on in this thread.

Yeah, and your bit is a typical part of that.

[Meow]

Second referendum ruled out. So we can put that one to bed now http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 05596.html

Has to be said it sounds lightly hypocrite to say "let's delay so people can go on holiday" .. I mean I can understand all the rest but this .. it's really a bit like "when it's about fun and such it's nice to have open borders/EU so one can go around, when it's about serious issues like work and immigration NOT" ..

That really sounds a bit like "yeah but no yeah" ..

What happen to you Giles? Will you have to apply for citizenship when Britain leaves the EU or will you automatically become a British citizen and have dual nationality.

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Labour coup was going to happen regardless

Yep.. it's treacherous, undemocratic, sabotage, too close to the Chilcot inquiry. Especially repugnant are the self-serving resignation letters obviously written for public viewing. Jess Phillips told the Labour Leader that it's not all about him, in a letter in which she referenced herself 29 times.



They are trying to force Corbyn to step down through bullying.

They should frig off and form their own party.

If he doesn't resign the Labour could end up having a leadership contest in the midst of a GE - so it's an act of sabotage.

If they created their own Blairite party, Labour could form a coalition with Corbyn as PM and, and these career politicians in less influential roles befitting their lesser authenticity.

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The way I'm reading it is Watson is a part of this and the rebel's preferred candidate. He can't be seen to actively shitting in the boat right now if he wants any level of support from the unions.

[gilesgoat]

Second referendum ruled out. So we can put that one to bed now http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 05596.html

Has to be said it sounds lightly hypocrite to say "let's delay so people can go on holiday" .. I mean I can understand all the rest but this .. it's really a bit like "when it's about fun and such it's nice to have open borders/EU so one can go around, when it's about serious issues like work and immigration NOT" ..

That really sounds a bit like "yeah but no yeah" ..

What happen to you Giles? Will you have to apply for citizenship when Britain leaves the EU or will you automatically become a British citizen and have dual nationality.

Anybody's guess so far, nobody knows really for sure what Britain is going to decide.

"Automatically" I don't think anything is going to happen, I did check long time ago ( EU or not EU that does not matter - unless they change some laws again ) in theory I have all the requisites already to ask for a UK citizenship and my understanding is that in theory I can have dual citizenship.

What I DO NOT know for sure and need better info is "what's going to happen in Italy if I do", especially about tax situation speaking and the such.

But I guess Italy will have to deal with "lot of this sort of problems" quite soon so we'll see, I suppose I'll need to go in some consulate/dunno where and get explanations but given the moment of "turmoil" I suspect they are going to tell me to "wait a little" and see what happens first.

"Automatically my arse" because you need to pay about 2000 quids and there's all a procedure in the middle, you do not get it for free and it's not automatic because it's your choice if you want to be or not.

I heard, reading around "second option" one could apply for an "extended residence visa" or such that seems could be renewable each 5 years.

But here comes the catch I don't know .. I think technically I should not even need that, practically I am also the shareholder of an UK company I also pay taxes ( in UK ) since 2003 ( and Italy as well ) and I am a registered director of an UK company since about then that.

But those are mostly "speculations" than reality because "what's going to happen to EU workers/stuff is really so far anybody's guess", the government have to decide what to do, until that is decided and made into enforceable law nobody knows for sure.

Anyway I'll do my best to get to know what my options are before it runs out of time, my guess is that there will be some paperwork to be done and money to be paid .. as usual ..

But yeah I was wondering if now this means you'll need some "work permit" or some shit like that but I think the problem is again for people like me that is "quite a number of years" they are here and already have jobs since quite long time.

How is for you in Canada Meow ? Did you get Canadian Citizenship or you can stay there indefinitely without it ?

[Barney]

Sounds like anyone in parliament that doesn't like Corbyn has fucked off and left him to run the party as he sees fit. He was elected due to an overwhelming response from the labour party members (ie, the general public) not by MPs, no? In which case, I can't see a vote of no-confidence going down very well.

[venusian]

The current state of the Labour party is why the hard right will get a foot in the door, up the stairs and into bed with the Tories. Fuckmuppets.

Has somebody not explained to them that they're supposed to oppose the government, not each other?

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I think it's about Trump, but it just fits Brexit so nicely.

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Gideon Rachman weighs in on the way forward:

I do not believe that Brexit will happen

His take is that the EU has had referenda before that end up being re-run or worked around. Why not this time? All it needs is moderates on both sides to work towards a solution.

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Politicians eh?

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